My Biden vote is not an endorsement of his gun control.

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  1. Siskie

    Siskie Active Member

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    If it wasn’t for gun control, I would never vote Republican; ever. Most of my other views align with the left. Biden got my vote for the greater good, but my down ballot helped keep Missouri red. Trump has given us a 6-3 (probably end up being a 5-4 again an assault weapon ban) defense against gun control, but I want my red state to be a last line of defense in case of an expansion.


    When the left decided they could ignore federal drug laws and refuse to enforce those drug laws, as well as federal immigration laws, they opened the door for red states to respond in kind. My state is among many red states that will ignore a Biden ban and not enforce it. We don’t have registration, so good luck doing so. My town sheriff would never do so. Monkey see monkey do. Goose/gander. You ignore drug laws, we will ignore your gun laws.


    My biggest problem with Biden is his lies on assault weapons. He has specifically said they “only belong on the battlefield”, yet the bans he supports allow the cops to keep their AR-15s and buy new ones. So he is either lying and/or he thinks the cops are on a battlefield at war with the public.


    Let’s also bring up the hypocrisy of protesting police for being violent, abusive, racist killers, while supporting gun control that bans you from having a weapon you think is only good for mass murder, but let’s the cops you don’t trust not to kill you keep theirs. That makes you an idiot.


    Might as well shout “I don’t trust you cops not to abuse me, which is why I want you better armed than me. You take all the guns worth a damn in a shootout and I’ll stick with these dinky, dorky Elmer Fudd guns that won’t do me any good in fighting back against your abuse and make me basically a disarmed peon.”


    I am glad I don’t live in a red flag state. Those laws can be easily abused. Some leftwinger has a problem with you? They call in a flag to mess with you and get your guns taken. Guilty until proven innocent. If my state adopted those (fat chance), I would preemptively hide most of my guns in another location that isn’t my home. That way, they could show up unannounced and be fooled into thinking they have disarmed me, but really the guns they took were left specifically for the taking for appearances.


    It is just too bad the left won’t stop on this issue. They will be stupid to pass a ban before expanding the court, so we will see what happens. Sorry Joe, my guns aren’t for registration, sale or giving away. I won’t accept a $500 tax discount for a $1,200 gun. Since I am the seller, I set the price. Maybe you can have one for a million. Otherwise? No deal.
     
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    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    You chose poorly. Biden doesn't see it that way. He sees your vote as an endorsement of his gun control platform.
     
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    The trump party is a lost cause so work to change the left. They are adopting the big-tent philosophy of Reagan. So run with that.

    I was a member of the NRA by age 12. I have owned guns my entire life and was shooting by the age of 8 or so. But the 2nd amendment was never meant to create hundreds of renegade militias with huge stockpiles of weapons owned by a bunch of nuts. I can see the danger in this as much as taking all the weapons away. In fact they are considered to be more dangerous than Islamic terrorists. So it is hard to see the anti-gun fervor diminishing while these guys are marching through the streets with high-power weapons. They are intentionally threatening everyone.

    When the trump party condones this crap, it is basically a declaration of war. They are making it clear that it is their way or they kill everyone.
     
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    HurricaneDitka Well-Known Member

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    You haven't yet seen gun owners "intentionally threatening everyone" or killing everyone if they don't get their way. That's just your over-active imagination.
     
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    I said they are marching in the streets heavily armed. Anyone trying to argue that isn't a threat is completely out of touch with reality.

    They are threatening and intend to be just that. They are making it clear that they intend to kill everyone who disagrees with them if they feel it is necessary. They are the self-appointed judge, jury, and executioners.
     
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    It's a protest against government abuses. It's a protected 1st Amendment activity. If you don't like it, move somewhere that doesn't protect free speech.
     
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    The state capital protest has shown that the left:

    1 - Think following the law by legally carrying a gun where you are legally allowed to do so is a violent display that should be put down harshly by the military.

    2 - Think looting and burning a police station, as well as taking over an entire city block or blocks, in the name of police brutality isn’t cause for any concern; especially military action.
     
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    Greater good of what the megacorps Biden's been playing footsie with for decades?
     
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    You cannot claim a personal desire to unite the country while stepping all over the Constitution! Biden has to choose. I expect much of what Biden does in the coming years will keep the Supreme Court extremely busy. Even more so than anything Trump did during his four years.
     
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    What was it meant to create, and, in the minds of the anti-gun left, how does this differ from what you said?
     
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    So you support republicans because they support the second amendment just a little more then democrats?

    Seems odd...even for a disqualifying issue.
     
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    So is the #BLMob and the antifa trogs, with no effort by the police to stop them
    Seems to me the 2nd is there, in part, to make sure the people have the means to protect themselves in just such a situation.
    So... what's the problem with the law abiding marching in the streets, heavily armed?
     
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    You mean do I favor people who feel we should have the same guns as the police, as opposed to people who feel only the same police they protest in the street should be the only ones with the AR-15s? Yes, I like things Even Steven, as opposed to allowing the same police the left spent all year protesting in the streets be the only ones with the semi-auto rifles.

    I find it strange that a group of people would refer to a weapon they want banned, as “only good for mass murder” and “only a weapon of war” but then turn around and draw up bills to ban them that exclude the same police they protest for killing people.

    Even Steven for me. I won’t be handing over, selling or registering my arsenal. And my deep red state will copy the blue states lead on ignoring federal laws they don’t like.
     
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    The second amendment right is a threat? Fascinating.
     
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    The fact that you think supporting the 2nd amendment means owning the same weapons as police shows me you may have not read/researched it in a while. The 2nd amendment was created with the idea of defending against an over reaching government, not an over reaching police force.

    If the 2nd is such an important issue for you, may I recommend you drop the Republican party and their "Take the guns first, go through due process second," President and switch to libertarian. They are much closer to actually supporting the 2nd then Republicans.
     
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    Na, I’ve already seen the Beto and Swalwell approach of sell your guns or cops with the same guns will show up to steal property and jail you.
     
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    That is a distinction without a difference.
     
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    Not sure what that has to do with my post. Are Beto and or Swallwell libertarians? Are you claiming because of what Beto or Sallwell say that Republicans actually do fully support the 2nd? Please feel free to elaborate.
     
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    I disagree. Confronting the full force of the federal government and its military is not the same as confronting the full force of the police.
     
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    You feel the same way about these armed leftist? upload_2020-11-23_16-52-44.jpeg OP, your position is similar to this, they are stumping for Abrams, she vowed to take the very weapons they are holding.
     
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    *edit to add this pic M3A2TNIHDRRN7WIZVACUIF7ZJE.jpg
     
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    Beto and Swalwell are part of the left, they ran with the Democrats. They are the ones that flat out said they wanted gun owners to choose: Sell your semi-auto rifle by a certain date or prison.

    Look, this isn’t a debate. If the agents of the state get to keep their “assault weapons”, I’m keeping mine regardless of what the Dems pass or not. Anyone who both protests the cops for rampant police abuse but is ok with them be better armed than everyone else, is a hypocritical idiot.

    Trump may be an insane nut job, but at least he gave us a 6-3 court to put your assault weapon bans down. And your blue states ignoring federal drug laws by legalizing weed in their state, allows red states to keep those gun legal in their state ignoring a federal ban on them. See how that works? You do, so we do it.
     
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    Its not a threat. Anyone trying to argue that it is a threat is out of touch with reality. You would have a point if there were executions. Are you suggesting we disarm law enforcement?
     
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    If another gun control law is passed, does anyone think there's a chance it could later get undone?

    (That was a rhetorical statement, the answer to that is basically NO. It seems far easier to pass a new law restricting freedom than to repeal an already existing law. if past history is any indicator)
     
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    The right itself isn't.

    Men marching around with their guns on display for no other reason than to let everyone else know they have them and seem to want to use them can be.

    Open carry morons are as bad as the gun banners are.
     

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