My God are we cowards - UN results

Hmmm,
we are always turning a blind eye, whether in Iraq or else.
Even in this critical UN resolution we can't find the courage to stand up to our fake bullying friend to tell him 'no'.
What a coward government we have, shame on you Mr.Turnbull and your mates....
I as an Australian citizen feel deeply embarrassed and want to apologize to the people of Palestine! And I know many of my people feel the same.
I hope one day you can live peacefully side by side with your Jewish neighbours.....
To all the people on this planet, have a nice, peaceful and enjoyable Xmas,
regards

 

Bashir Assad has killed many more Syrians in the past 6 years than Israel has killed Palestinians in the past 70. Probably by a factor of 10. How many resolutions criticizing Syria has the UN passed in that time? One or two per year.....maybe. In the same period dozens have been passed attacking Israel. How many have been passed criticizing Iran or Saudi for their many & varied misdeeds (happy to supply a list)? Not many I bet.

Whoever said 'the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity' was on the money. The 'peace process' has been in existence for a generation. Opportunities have existed to establish a Palestinian state. They have not been taken. Now even the nations that pretended to car can't be arsed. The 'Arab street' barely bothered to turn out. There were a few week as water diplomatic protests and the traditional hollow UN resolution, all of which mean zilch.

Syria is a wreck. Jordan & Lebanon are barely holding together under the strain of refugees. Iraq can barely govern itself. Turkey has returned to civil war & is hurtling down the path to dictatorship. The Saudis are gearing up for war with Iran & are telling the Palestinians to accept whatever deal Israel offers. Egypt is lined up with the Saudis. No friends left and no willingness to go for 'Intifada mk.III'. No leverage whatsoever. There is a reason thousands of Palestinians in East Jerusalem are applying for Israeli citizenship - they know their own people are going nowhere fast.

As an Australian citizen I don't see why the choice of the US government to recognize Israel's actual capitol as its capitol is something my government should give a stuff about and I know there are many, many Australians who agree with me. The 'don't cares' are in the majority here.

 

Wow,
what a view.
I believe if we are to have a chance for a more peaceful future, we need to find a peaceful solution for Israel/Palestine.
This solution cannot come at the cost of one party, as both the Jewish people and the Palestinian people have been around Jerusalem for ever.
Hence either both have the right to claim Jerusalem as their capitol or none of them can do it.
All this terror related shittt which is happening for the last 40 to 50 years is a direct result of failed politics and stands on the Israeli/Palestine issue, imho.
And yes you are right there, as there is quite a number of people who can't give a rats ass...
Reg.

 

It is not a problem for "us" to own. The Palestinians need to deal with this themselves. Their self indulgent hatred has lost them many long term friends.

People that try to own this problem for the Palestinians need to examine why their self boundary definitions include the assumed right to own the problems of others and to meddle in affairs that those directly involved in have had to deal with for years. They are encouraging Palestinians to be codependent instead of healing themselves and acting like responsible parties. Terrorism is not responsible, nor is teaching hatred to following generations.

 

How do you deal with a neighbour who is far stronger than you, who takes away your land and houses? How do you deal with such a neighbour?
And such a neighbour is now backed by the biggest bully of all, the US.
I always believed the Russians are the worst, followed by China.
All those huge economies which only act in their own self interest.
Trump's slogan was a lie, he is not acting in "US first" interest, but "Trump's interest first".
I bet he received a big plot of land, somewhere in Israel.....
Regards

 

Weaker parties depending on stronger ones need to foster goodwill, not anger and hatred. The Palestinians counted on other powers in Islam to continue bullying up on Israel after the lost war instead of themelves learning to live and let live. What the Israelis learned from this, and continue to learn, is that it is not in their survival interests to empower Palestinians.

 

So you don't believe in a possible peaceful coexistence?
Reg.

 

What has people so cranked about this? Seems ludicrous to me. Or laughable.

Israel wants our embassy in Jerusalem. Trump announced the intention to move it there. The host country and the emissary country agree. Who else's business is it?

What a bunch of foolishness! UN is full of a bunch of corrupt, worthless self-aggrandizers. Why would rational people do anything other than laugh at them?

 

The fact that Trump only recognized Jerusalem as Israels capitol, not Palestine's....
Reg.

 

I don't understand that. He didn't recognize it as Zimbabwe's capital either. Why not get cranked up about that? Besides, what's this Palestine?

 

There is nothing honorable in trying to deny another country the choice of where to locate their own embassy, while asking the same country to pay more than double the budget that any other nation pays and more than nearly every single member of the UN combined. There is nothing honorable about thousands of Palestinian terror and rocket attacks, or running over blowing up or stabbing innocent people. The US has done the right thing, and shame on every country who takes our aid, pays very little to the UN at our expense, asks us for resources, then attempts to embarrass and deny our right to select where we put our own embassy.

 

Yes, it is quite a view. Well thought out & supported by a clear eyed view of the facts.

The fate of the Palestinian people doesn't really matter in a 'world' sense. It is one of the great confected issues of our time. Muslims nations whip up the issue to distract from their appalling treatment of their own citizens & those of other nations. The left whips it up because they are obsessed with America. How many of those who work themselves into a lather about the poor Palestinians have said but a fraction as much about any other issue that didn't involve Jews or 'the West'. I think we know the answer to that. Nobody really cares, they just pretend to.

Placing this particular issue at the 'centre' of anything is a choice to ignore far more important issues involving much greater human suffering & much more deserving people simply because Jews & Americans are involved.

The world is not a fair place and chances not taken do not always come again. The Kurds have no nation, though they have fought longer and harder for one (as US allies they attract minimal sympathy from the usual suspects). The people of Western Sahara have suffered terribly in their quest for a nation and have nothing to show for it - how many people even know this is going on? Somaliland has been independent of Somalia for over 25 years and has a stellar record of leadership & self government compared to the Palestinians, yet only 2 nations even recognize them (compared to dozens for a non existent Palestinian state). No one 'deserves' a nation. Either they fight for one or they negotiate for one. The Palestinians were given one and threw it away trying for more.

If the Arab nations that surround Israel & the Arabs living in Palestine had left Israel alone in 1948 an Arab Palestine would be turning 70 next year. If Jordan & Egypt had granted independence to the parts of Arab Palestine they seized in 1948 a smaller Arab Palestine would be celebrating the same birthday. Instead they occupied the territory & murdered Palestinians who objected. This is how Palestine's 'friends' act. Those same 'friends' could have joined forces to negotiate a peace with Israel that included a Palestinian nation. Instead most of them preferred to prepare for war & give false hope to their 'friends'. They preferred the distraction Palestine offered than an actual solution. If Abbas had accepted the Olmert Plan a decade ago he would now run his own nation (poorly, of course).

There should be a Palestinian nation, but it isn't going to be something supporters of Palestine think is 'fair'. Those people could encourage their 'friends' to hold out as they have in the past in the hope that Israel is destroyed or at least forced to different terms. Sadly Palestinians will probably be dumb enough to fall for that as they have in the past. Israel has no motivation to cut a 'good' deal, so its a 'bad' one or another generation or two of the twilight zone.

In the early 1920s Michael Collins negotiated a 'bad' deal for Irish independence under threat of a British invasion. It was a deal that divided Ireland & made it a Dominion of the British crown. Many of his comrades turned on him and, as he predicted at the negotiations, it cost him his life. Ireland fell briefly into civil war, but it has remained independent and over time become a successful & prosperous nation. Sadly the Palestinian people have never had a Michael Collins and they have missed every opportunity. As long as their 'friends' continue to tell them to hold out for a 'fair' deal they will continue to miss opportunities.

 

No the Palestinians learnt terrorism works, that is what the Zionist story tells us. They were wrong and have to learn it will not work. But that was the Jews gift to the Palestinians.

 

I am just pissed we did not stand up to Trumps attempt at bullying

 

Irish independence is understandable, explain why a Jewish colony is?

 

Jews have lived in the Middle East for longer than the Irish as we currently know them have lived in Ireland (and the Irish are my people, so I know whereof I speak) and were living in Israel before the ancestors of most Irish people had located that beautiful island. Israel is their homeland. That isn't going to change any time soon.

There is no 'colony' there is a nation more successful than any Muslim nation, including the ones floating on oil. Israeli Arabs enjoy rights, freedoms & opportunities most Arabs & Muslims can only dream about. Israeli Jews have built a free and prosperous nation despite the repeated attempts of their neighbors to destroy them. Perhaps if they spent less time hating Israel & repressing their own they might build societies worthy of comparison. Perhaps if they worked with Israel instead of using it as a distraction from their own failures they might build a better region. They could hardly do worse then they have.

Perhaps if Palestinians had given up the dream of wiping out Israel they would have had their nation long ago. They have not earned the magnanimity they seem to think Israel owes them and they have not proved strong enough to force the settlement they seem to think they deserve. They have failed, and failure means you get what you can take.

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict should have been settled long ago. Both parties wear blame, but, as I said, the world is not a fair place. Nobody has a right to a nation and nobody can expect to just be given what they want because they want it. Opportunities have been ignored that would have created a Palestinian state. I suspect that will continue to be the case. This latest US move is simply a reminder that nobody cares & nobody is going to do a damned thing to help the Palestinians.

 

Why? he simply recognized the reality of the situation. We didn't vote with him. There was never the slightest chance we were going to vote against the US move. Not this government, not the alternative government & possibly not any Australian government. Our Ambassador spoke against the move but didn't vote against it. I really don't see the problem.

 

Put a half dozen Jews around a table they'll start arguing. Put a half dozen Arabs around a table they'll start arguing. It's cultural, they've been arguing between themselves and each other for millennia.

We have seen however a change. There is not one single reason for the change rather a number of things.

Information. As we as a world become more informed, be it with facts or propaganda, we start to ask questions. If we don't get the answer we like we Assume things.

Information can also mislead, we can assume something is true when it's not.

Sinister powers can use this misinformation to manipulate the world.

There is nothing ideological about it, unless money and power are ideologies.

 

So white Western people can't complain Muslims will take over their nations? You're fine if Muslims want to chop your head off if you don't believe in their religion?

 

I don't have the slightest idea what your little outburst has to do with what I wrote. Not a clue. I'm not sure you do either, but hope springs eternal.

 

The difference is that the arguing Jews will end up writing down their arguments and make something useful of them. At the Arab table someone will die, someone will become dictator and no one will end up any better off than they were before.

 

It's not a burst it's satire. The world need to take over USA and Israel.

 

Don't give up your day job. You royally suck at satire.

Last time I checked most of 'the world' is pretty poorly run. Best leave it to work itself out before giving it things to do it clearly can't manage.

 

Because international political decisions should be based on feelings?

 

Good comment, with some reason behind. I will think about it....
However, you avoid to address the land grab.
Why take Jews land/homes/properties away from their neighbours?
Would you tolerate that in your neighbourhood?
Reg.