My ideas on the Mexican/Foreign national immigration issues

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  1. Laurence123

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    In the southern border of the United States there should be the usage of more border patrol specialist, agents and personnel, motion detection devices and surveillance drones to secure our border. While this happens more support in the form of business, infrastructure development and law enforcement support be provided to the country of Mexico. This I think will be more productive and effective than a large wall. Periodic checks over a five to ten year period of time on those who marry into a family or person who is a citizen of the United States. The threat and penalty of deportation even if a natural born child of the United States is involved should be written Into federal and state laws particularly as a deterrent to those who think about violating these new ideas for a laws. Background checks paid for by the foreign citizen from their respective countries should be provided at the time of their citizenship application. Those here currently in the United States should apply for a certain status allowed by current law according to their needs as they should properly get in line without the fear of deportation. All illegal and undocumented persons within the United States who have violated our laws with felonious intent should be immediately deported and or prosecuted and punished regardless of the situation.
     
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    So much for the concept of Liberty. And you would deport American citizens??? To what end?

    You like that America where we are patrolled by drones 24 / 7 / 365? You like that kind of society where we are subjected to a pee test, blood test, hair sample, credit background check, MVR check, criminal records check, E Verify and proof of citizenship via a National ID card and Socialist Surveillance Number ... I mean "Social(ist) Security Number just to work at MickeyDs part time? Really?

    And you want a wall around America? So the LEO community can now cross over private property without a warrant in order to maintain the wall and look for so - called "illegal aliens?" Well now, if private property owners on the border have no Fourth Amendment Rights, what stops the LEO five hundred miles inland from a border from using the same precedent on the pretext of looking for criminals on private property? How are you going to navigate around the 14th Amendment?

    BTW, have you ever actually read the Constitution?
     
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    Nowhere did i say that there should be a new identification, nor do i support a wall. Drone patrols would only be permitted on the borders where illegal immigration persists. Now lets talk about the dreamers. Each case is different and should be treated as such. Some people are law abiding tax paying illegal prospective American citizens, The others that are so famous are immigrants who are here illegally commiting crimes and not participating in our tax system in which they take advantage of the higher wage and opportunities here and migrate when they are done with us back home. Wherever they're from. Families should not be split up however the threat of such action may be necessary to have in place as a deterrent against future illegal visitors. Blanket amnesty nor blanket across the board mass deportations are the solution to the United States' immigration issue. Lastly with the exception of the drones maybe being a costly bundle, more border patrol personnel including motion detection along with surveillance cameras at least should end up being cheaper than a large wall that can just be tunneled under or broken.
     
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    The reality of our situation is that the anti-immigrant lobby, not knowing better, pushed for a SSN based National ID program - National ID / REAL ID Act and now voluntary E Verify. BTW, do you know that the income tax was started as a voluntary tax? You see where that went.

    Let me stay with taxes a moment: The income tax is illegal, unconstitutional, immoral, indefensible, and a plank out of the Communist manifesto. We lobbied hard in my district and my then U.S. Congressman pushed legislation that would have repealed the 16th Amendment thereby abolishing both the IRS and the income tax. But, the anti - immigrant lobby wanted something to complain about. They needed the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number" and National ID in order to make foreigners as miserable as the Americans.

    The reality is, according to the chief actuary of the Social(ist) Security Administration, up to seventy five percent of the undocumented foreigners have an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the same taxes as you do. Had the anti-immigrant lobby remained quiet, you would not have an income tax to cry and complain about. We've had a lower tax rate and everybody would have to pay into it.

    You say: "Drone patrols would only be permitted on the borders where illegal immigration persists."

    The reality is, there is no such law. If there were any law at all, the Border Patrol would contain drones to the Constitution Free Zone and that covers almost two thirds of the nation's population. Bear in mind, in order to reach the border, drones would have to fly over private property. So, if a drone can fly over private property without a warrant in order to enforce the law, then what legal precedent do you use to stop that drone from flying over YOUR property?

    Does the 14th Amendment not guarantee all of us the equal protection of the laws? How is the guy with land along the border equally protected - how are his Fourth Amendment Rights protected? They aren't. So, if you you're going to use drones on the border, then they can fly anywhere.

    How much of a POLICE STATE do we need? I have better ideas for regulating foreigners.
     

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