My issue with guns

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by clarkatticus, Apr 24, 2014.

  1. clarkatticus

    clarkatticus New Member

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    I have a Kimber Ultra Carry II with 2 mags, my girlfriend carries a .40 HK for law enforcement. Having a gun is no issue. Having an arsenal is. What possibly use is weapon that shoots 100 rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger? This isn't personal safety, this is a bunch of grown men pretending to be in an action flick, dreaming of the day they can save (insert famous actress here) from evil doers. Hopping from tree to tree pretending to be part of seal team 6. What? Got a short penis? Time to buy a Desert Eagle .50 cal. What this insane behavior does is perpetuate the notion that all situations can be resolved by shooting something. This is what we teach our children, overt aggression trumps personal interaction, easier to hate than try to understand. This perpetuates the issues we attempt to resolve with anger. All I can say is "grow up".
     
  2. Defender of Freedom

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    I understand your argument, but the way you presented it was a bit drastic and immature. But I digress.

    An AR15 and other semi-automatic rifles are actually some of the better firearms to use in home defense scenarios. Plenty of people own an "arsenal" because they enjoy shooting as a hobby or even as a career. People use these firearms for home and personal defense all the time, maybe not as frequently as handguns, but still a significant amount. I do not see what your fear is for law abiding citizens like yourself to own a certain firearm or multiple firearms.
     
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    1. The short penis thing is just a juvenile argument started by people who read too much Freud.
    2. The real day to day gun problem is not the "arsenal" of assault weapons with 50 rd magazines. It's guns like the ones you and your girlfiend have--handguns. You've played into the whole media hype. (long guns (including "assault weapons" count for about 1-2% of gun deaths). Most gun deaths are caused by handguns.
    3. Most people who own more than one gun just like guns. They like to shoot different types of guns, and enjoy owning them. I know that's the case for me (and the largest magazine in any gun I own is 12 rounds).
    4. What do you think an arsenal is? Is it anyone with more guns than you? Is it 5 guns? is it 10 guns?
     
  4. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. Rather than being primarily about defence, the purchase quantity is about personal preferences. Those preferences aren't necessarily consistent with rational outcome mind you, given those with skewed preferences towards guns are more likely to provide mechanisms to feed the secondary market and subsequently criminal activity
     
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    Gimpdaddy New Member

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    Do you ever shoot for recreation? Practice? if not, you should. Guns are fun to shoot. And bigger guns like the desert eagle can be more fun. And teaching your children how to act responsible around guns is what I did n my house. No overt aggression. But watching them grow up and getting them involved with shooting has brought me great joy and satisfaction. But teaching my children also involved conflict resolution skills.
     
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    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    Am I missing something? Have any of the mass shootings been perpetrated by people with "an arsenal"? What do you care if peaceful law abiding people have a firearm collection?
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Its about the overall impact. For example, more guns owned means more guns stolen for the secondary market
     
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    Can't say that I disagree with most of your post. I do take exception to buying a desert eagle to lengthen my penis though. I am not sure that has been FDA approved. I will gladly give up the rich man's toys to keep the guns I have available. I don't even mind mag limits. If I can't drop it with 5 rounds, I sure as heck don't need 50. If the feds come knocking on my door, I won't be the idiot who dies in a pointless firefight (not that I believe most of the professed patriots would actually do anything other than run their traps).
     
  9. Defender of Freedom

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    That is not a likely scenario. Any of the firearms possessed by the owner can be used for self defense. It can be a hobby as well. These owners are not likely to put these firearms in secondary markets or fall into the hands of criminals.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Those interested in self-defence do not need to go for multiple gun possession. Owning a shed load certainly encourages, for example, theft and therefore support of the secondary market
     
  11. Defender of Freedom

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    Having multiple firearms for multiple defense scenarios is self-defense. It does not encourage theft, in fact, most criminals would avoid any house that they know has one or multiple firearms.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    They might perceive that, but it isn't credible.

    Guns are great loot. Its naive to think they aren't an incentive
     
  13. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Soooo...having a large car collection, a large knife collection, a large bat collection, a large sword collection is penis envy :roll::roll::roll:
     
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    Someone has an "arsenal" or has a pistol or rifle that can shoot 100 rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger. So what?

    Someone takes a gun course or a wanna-be Rambo weekend course. Who cares?

    Those aren't the people committing the crimes. Millions of people own multiple guns, millions own semi-automatic weapons, and yet crime has dropped steadily and significantly for 25 years. Your objection can't be based on crime data.

    You don't like the idea that a law abiding person who is not bothering you (or anybody else) owns too many guns. Its not your place to determine my needs, hobbies, or desires.
     
  15. clarkatticus

    clarkatticus New Member

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    Please show the multiple times individuals with assault rifles have successfully used them in defense of hearth and home. For every such chestnut related 50 more can be related of people being shot with their own gun, children killed playing with them, their weapons stolen and used in crime or insane individuals shooting up schools. You want to practice eye-hand coordination? Buy a dart board. I learned to shoot at age 8 in 1964, I also got a Barlow for x-mas. I know how to shoot and maintain my gun. My girlfriend qualifies every month. Again, it's a childish to promote such weapons as necessary to the well being of or nation.
     
  16. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please show how 50 more being shot with their own gun relates to semi-automatic fire arms. Please show how 50 more related instances of children playing with a gun relates to semi-automatic rifles, please show the 50 to 1 ratio of weapons being stolen and used in a crime by an insane individual shooting up a school. Pease show something more than an emotional response with no proof of facts.....Thanks
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can show you 50 news reports of airplanes crashing for every one you can find of an airplane landing safely. This doesn't mean that most airplanes crash.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Practice eye to hand coordination with darts...WOW. Tell you what, you practice darts, I'll practice with a gun then we'll have a competition. Bet you beat me at darts, I'll beat you with a gun. Let's take it one step further....you use a set of darts against a criminal with a knife or gun....I'll use a gun. Some peoples thought processes just amaze me!

    What is childish is thinking that just because someone owns a particular weapon emotional people want to project their thoughts of how these weapons will be used onto all the citizens who peacefully own them.....and with no actual proof to boot. Rational though has no basis in the emotional peoples world does it?
     
  19. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no issue with guns, hammers, screwdrivers etc. However I do take issue with criminal acts and those who wish for less rights and freedoms for others, but again, I have no issue with inanimate objects.
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No No No No, "assault rifles" get up and shoot people everyday....what's with this issue with criminals? You prejudice? :roflol:

    Good post Dix.

    You have more active here lately....Thanks!
     
  21. kashsmith1981

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    It's about being able to preserve your liberty in the event your government turns totalitarian. If you think that can't happen, apparently you fell asleep in history class.
     
  22. clarkatticus

    clarkatticus New Member

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    Are you telling me that such an incident wouldn't be reported? Jesus man, FOX news would have it on a permanent loop, the NRA would have banners and billboards and every GOP lawmaker would be repeating the same talking point on every station in the US. Just look what they did with that wussy Zimmerman.
     
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    clarkatticus New Member

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    Well, it's been over 250 years, I think it's time to look for other outlets for your masculinity. If our government does turn totalitarian no gun will help because people like you would VOTE it in and stand in groups with your weapons at hand yelling it foreword. Perhaps you should study history with more scrutiny.
     
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    A couple of things...(1) I don't need an "outlet for my masculinity", I don't even own a gun, so please try not to project so much. (2) I wouldn't vote in a totalitarian gov't, because I'm a libertarian. And (3), how can you say that no gun would help? Of course it would make a difference.

    I will give you credit for one thing though, if you are as old as the guy pictured on your avatar, you have the benefit of apparently having lived through more history than I have learned about...just out curiosity, was the Titanic as big as they said it was?
     
  25. Small Town Guy

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    So no proof....just emotion? Surely you have factual reason to believe what you say...yes?
     

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