Strictly my opinions. Speaking as a Trump supporter. 1) In my opinion, President Trump effectively lost the election when he lost Wisconsin and Michigan. 2) Even without evidence, I have no doubt that Joe Biden won fewer votes overall than he is credited with and that Donald Trump won more votes than have been counted for him. 3) That said, I honestly don't believe that there are enough of both combined to shift enough states from Biden to Trump in order for Trump to win. 4) Republicans/Trump supporters should simply accept a key fact. The courts were never going to intervene in big enough way to shift the election to President Trump. If the disputes were concentrated in one state (like Florida in 2000), maybe. Two states, the courts might be inclined to do so. But four or five states? No way. No way. The courts at all levels including the Supreme Court are never going to be willing regardless of evidence to be the final arbiters of presidential elections in the U.S. Not on the scale of four, five or more states simultaneously anyway. 5) This country desperately needs to get control of the problems we're having with our presidential elections. Though I consider myself conservative I might be willing to consider federalizing presidential elections and taking them away from being administered by the individual states
Trouble is the whole voter fraud thing is so klutzy that it's going to completely undermine the veracity of any of the claims. The karma of this administration is deep red and on fire. Anything they touch is poison. p.s. Trump was accusing Repub administered states and military, etc. opf fraud. willy nilly, bet they got a shock. He couldn't care less about the future integrity of anything if he's not on the king roost.
Overall, great response. But #2 is concerning, since you admit that this is simply based on your feelings and not evidence. If that's what you feel, that's what you fell, but we need more than feelings if we are going to get to something like #5.
I'm ABSOLUTELY on board with #5!!! Waaay past time for "states rights" to take a kick in the ass on this and make the WHOLE PROCESS of presidential elections UNIFORM across the nation!!!
I can only get on board with #5 if an official process of secession is also established. We can't force The People to stay in a Union while also controlling how much they are able to influence the decisions in that Union. FedGov will innevitably institute a nationwide electronic voting system that will reliably 'glitch' in its favor. It'll be the national equivalent of the proverbial cop beating his wife who's only recourse is to call her attacker's corrupt co-workers for 'help...'
I can't think of a worse idea ever put forth. Just asinine. A far leftist idea at that. It would also require a change to the US Constitution. Good luck with that in this environment.
We spend hundreds of billions of dollars on the military to protect freedom and democracy, time to spend a few billion to put together a voting system that can be used by both states and counties to insure better voting tracking and security. Permanent vote count stations with security and observing capabilities rather than using school gyms and warehouses. It's simply foolish to worry about foreign interference until we get a handle on this.
It would ultimately be up to the states themselves. The state legislatures get to decide who won the popular elections in their states. (Because under the Constitution they are the ones who decide who the Electors are) Many people may not be aware of this but the right for people in a state to vote for President is not protected by the US Constitution. That is something each and every state has individually taken on. It is covered under individual state law.
Do you know why I have routinely sneered at federal 'rigged' elections over the years, regardless of party or circumstance? Whether it is dem or pub, primary or general, I have never endorsed use of the word. Not with kennedy, or Humphrey, or Nixon or Gore, or Sanders or Clinton or now Trump. The unique beauty of our states running these elections is that there are 50 different systems, with different rules, different timetables, different formats and it is virtually impossible to be sure that Comey's announcement , or 'DNC favoritism or Mayor Daley shenanigans, or some Secretary of State in Florida or even Putin and his computer hackers or his social media bots to 'rig' enough of these disparate systems, each using different machines, or software, or different methods of casting a ballot to actually steal an election. Its the lack of uniformity that dilutes and mitigates against any effort at widespread fraud or tampering. When you standardize and centralize a system across all these states for a uniform process and result, you lose that advantage.
I wasn't there and no laws were broken I was there and no laws were broken. When I said line 2 I went to prison. A person saying line 1 is speaking by faith.
I loved everything about your post, except #5. I'm horrified. The states are not required to hold elections. They aren't required to get the opinions of their citizens. They could hold a beer pong tourney if they wanted. You take away state's rights, we go popular vote. The only way my VERY strong support for the EC stays where I want it, is if state's rights rules supreme. Sorry - I'm a state's rights person. Max freedom for everyone. Less federal oversight of every aspect of our lives.
If nothing else, we have greatly upgraded our country's first lady. No more of this skanky d-level porn model.
I think that the one thing that would fix our national election is to have one database of everyone that has a Social Security Number and only those eligible to vote be able to be seen by State Election officials (meaning anyone that is dead or under 18 years of age would not show up in that database). The database could be administered by the IRS since they already have access to all SSN's and are generally informed whenever someone dies. Any...I repeat ANY name that does not exist in that database gets their ballot sent to an investigative agency to be charged with a felony (and of course the vote not counted). If any name with SSN and with DOB has already voted then that vote in null and void and all relevant data sent to an investigative agency to determine fraud, stolen identity etc etc crimes and prosecute the person that used such an identity. The rightful person can then vote in the next election. Not ideal on that last one but it secures the election from stuffing ballots using names from another state. States can use the database for their own local elections provided that they add additional information such as requiring a valid address with in that state. This would also have the benefit of Republicans no longer needing to require voter ID in order for someone to vote because anyone that uses that persons identity to vote would be found out and investigated, preferably to the fullest extent of the law.
