I logged onto this forum this morning and was disgusted find the mudslinging at the OWS protesters to be equally hateful and juvenile as the mudslinging the tea partiers have received. First the left bashed the tea partiers for their critique of the government, marginalizing them by repeating the lying soundbites they heard on Rachel Maddow or read on MoveOn, alternet, or Daily Kos. Now the right is listening to the media distort, lie, and marginalize these OWS people who are also exercising their right to criticize the government, thereby proving to all that the right here has no higher moral ground than the left. Neither side has any moral ground when it comes to this type of reprehensible behavior. The media likes to portray ANY MOVEMENT that criticizes the oligarchy as something objectionable, and will use words like racists, selfish, commies, filthy hippies, etc., and people are mindlessly continuing to buy into the propaganda deliberately being disseminated to keep we the people divided. WE THE PEOPLE are a larger force than the government. TPTB know that as long as we keep squabbling and calling the other side names and drinking the media Koolaid that the elite can continue to loot us and saddle us with irresponsible debt for the benefit of the few, and destroy the standard of living for the vast majority. WE ARE the 99 PERCENT! We outnumber them. Remember that. Quit the name calling and join together, for crying out loud. Whether you are a member of the tea party, Democrat, Republican, or a progressive, your government has failed you and the republic needs to be restored. We cannot do that if we act like squabbling children. BOTH SIDES need to WAKE UP and unite! Instead of bashing the OWS people or the tea partiers, why not realize that both sides are being screwed by our government? We may not agree on what the government should be and do, but any thinking person can see that our government is being run for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many - us. So the next time you hear of a protest against the oligarchy, regardless of whether it is a tea party protest or an OWS type protest, if you don't like the things our government is doing, why not join in? You may discover that you have more in common with the people being demonized by the media than TPTB want you to know. And vote the bastards out in the next election. :twisted Open your minds and at least think about it. I was delighted to learn that tomorrow there will be an Occupy Huntsville movement - and I'm attending. Yes, this die-hard tea-partying libertarian is going to join in: http://www.occupyhuntsville.org/ I don't agree with some of the demands I've heard from OWS, but I realize the media isn't going to show us anything positive, and will distort to turn people against it. I also realize that many people at OWS also protested in favor of expensive perks for union teachers in Wisconsin, so I'll focus on what we have in common rather than the differences. Why don't others here try that for a change?
Or more govt manipulation over these clueless pawns? You decide: . I'm surprised you're going to participate. I'll be interested in hearing your take on the event. Be sure to ask why they're not protesting the evil govt that got us into this fix in the first place. Personally, I have very little patience with people who whine without offering a solution. At least the Tea Party takes action... as apparent by the results of the mid-term elections.
The media has become the propaganda arm of the federal government, just like Pravda was the propaganda arm of the Soviet Union. The MSM is manipulating what we see on the news in an attempt to sway us against government protests. I'd rather go and see and hear for myself what is going on. If I don't like it, I'll leave. Simple, but that will make me better informed than people who just swallow whatever line their favorite pundits feed them and then regurgitate it on forums. I'll be happy to describe my experience, whether positive or negative. I intend to. Me, too. I have heard some solutions that have been proposed, and they make sense, although I don't agree with some of them. True. And only time will tell if this movement has any success.
The point is is that all sides are comprised mostly of clueless pawns. People are angry, most can not articulate or correctly point out the causes of their anger but we are all sure we're pointing at in the right direction, government corruption and those guilty of corrupting and using the government. Sides are choosing who they are more angry at but they create the problem together, that is the common ground. I agree Lady Luna. Its madding to think how well the tactic of keeping the "common" people divided has worked for most of the history of civilization, the world over. People should see themselves as American citizens before they identify themselves with their political affiliations,and if that's beyond them at least they should not be so blind as to not see that the enemy of your enemy can be allied for a common cause.
The lunacy of your argument Luna is assuming only one group is responsible for the entire downfall of the economy when that 1% pay the vast majority of the taxes the Flea Party protestors suck out of the teet of the government. They are lazy worthless individuals who want everyone else who works hard and is successful to feed, pay and cloth them for doing nothing. They want socialism. We the real Americans see them for what they are. Parasites on the teet of the government. They are the reason this country is dying just like it has already done to Europe with their massive entitlements they can't afford.
I worked with a gal who just moved to NYC within the last 2 weeks. Found herself a tiny apt and is excited about started her new job there. She's in the Wall Street area and told me yesterday she has to walk thru the crowds to get to the subway. She said they're confronting people on the sidewalk looking for either supporters or opposition and it's a very unpleasant experience walking thru the area. She also said the smell is disgusting. I would imagine protests in other parts of the country are much more laid back than NYC. You'd have to go off the beaten path to even see the area where a handful of protesters have set up camp in Dallas. Nobody's paying much attention here.
I await your report. I think that you will be disappointed by the progressives. Tell them that you are a TP libertarian and feel the open-mindedness of the Left. _
That is exactly what the MSM wants you to believe, and they have done their job well. Really? Have you spoke to any of these people? Have you gone there to see exactly what they are doing and saying? Or are you getting your info from the propaganda machine? There are many parasites on the government's teat, but to assume that all the protesters are parasites is false, although that's what TPTB want you to believe. Besides, military spending is worse than entitelment spending because the only ones who benefit are people with investments in that industry. Our government is engaged in imperialism and adventurism, while calling it "defense." This is bleeding our country dry more so than any entitlements, although they need to be reined in as well.
The post was about uniting with common grievances not dividing over more of the same old ridiculous partisan bs
The problem with that post is that it divides more than it unites. Most of us rational Americans don't want to even listen to the rantings and ravings of the lunatic left. You can blame your current President for that; one that told his followers to "get in our faces" and crap.
From what I can tell OWS is on the side of government screwing us over. So no, I'm not going to come together with them. They aren't protesting the government. They are protesting wall street.
Did Wall St. make the policies to bail out the banks? Was it Wall St. who sent stimulus money oversea's to foreign banks? Was Wall St. the reason for the housing bubble collapse? Was Wall St. the reason for the financial bubble collapse? HELL NO!!! It was the government. They should be marching in front of the White House. Why do you think Ubama and Pelosi, Biden...etc. are encouraging them??? They want to keep them from realizing how stupid they are.
??? Maybe try reading it again. If the lunitic left and the ridiculous right can't see past their own redundant bs nothing will change.
In my opinion it might have more to do with the average age of the protesters than the average political affiliation. Most of the arrests for occupy were at the same time for clogging up the Brooklyn bridge.
People who block the Brooklyn Bridge prove they don't care about ordinary American people. How many people lost jobs and opportunities because they couldn't travel over the bridge that day? The OWS people don't care who they hurt.
I agree, and I'm going to talk to some about it tomorrow. My intent is to use our common ground as the springboard for some discussion to make people think beyond their habitual boundaries, not to be confrontational or bring negativity to the event. I also want to take pics of signs to share. Tomorrow this movement goes worldwide!!! That is exciting, and I want to contribute to it in a positive way. If I can't do that and get pissed off, I'll just leave, and describe that here. Well there is that...
The people blocking the bridge are ordinary American people who are pissed off. They have every reason be pissed off about the corruption. I am, too, aren't you?
Umm, probably none. Not saying it couldn't or didn't produce unintended consequences, nor I'm I defending it or saying that it was a good choice on the crowd's part, but let's not get dramatic and make it something that it wasn't.
I find worldwide events that draw a lot of people with common ground to be exciting. I've also participated in worldwide prayers and drummings. Basically, to try and make people think beyond their usual boundaries. If people do that, they'll realize that we can do more united than divided. I also want to discuss our government's collusion and try and make some see that is where much of their wrath needs to be directed, while recognizing that they have valid complaints that many other groups share. I want to see with my own eyes what goes on, and then see how it is portrayed in the media afterwards.
LL, this is not a good thing. This is the prelude to top down, bottom up, inside out. This is all a prelude to revolution in this country, which is what the left wants.
That may be the prelude, but that's not I want. If things continue the way they are with the corruption, lack of accountability in our elected officials and their corporate cronies, and continued looting of the national treasury, though, collapse or revolution is inevitable. It's just a matter of which will come first. Scary, but true. I'd like to think that if great numbers show up, TPTB might listen a little. Maybe that's overly optimistic, but hope springs eternal....
Thats right Luna. And the MSM made these signs up right? Yes Luna. The MSM infiltrated the protestors and planted all of these signs! You cracked it! Ah yes the vast MSM conspiracy made these people say the following: Anti Semetic [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxFa1c"]Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street - LA - YouTube[/ame] Anti Capitalist pro violence [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CKRoKbRGW8"]Occupy Protests in LA and DC: Are Socialists, Crazies and Hate-Mongers Really the 99%? - YouTube[/ame] And more Socialism [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mr4bc21bCM"]Occupy Wall Street - Socialism, updated through an internet revolution (Interview Me Now Guy) - YouTube[/ame] Yes yes Luna. The MSM secretly brainwashed these people to say these things! LOL Luna you really need a reality check. Those pictures and those videos support exactly what I said these lunatics believe. Take off the tin foil hat and actually look at the evidence.
