Myanmar ethnic cleansing half a million Muslim.. why is everybody quiet ??

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Donor

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    In fact, if you would read history from a non-Islamic point of view, you would see that Islam is the guilty religion regarding the murder of 'ethnic and religious minorities'. They are attacking innocent people all over the world but instead of casting a critical eye toward their own behavior they're stepping up their ridiculous 'Islamophobia' campaign and expecting public sympathy. In fact Muslims have been the cause of so much terror and hatreds in this world that the Bamar are the ones now getting that sympathy, and that's likely to remain the case. The world has become sick of Islamic behavior and now they're finally speaking out against this Muslim crap.

    It seems Muslims have had no problems teaching hatreds and trying to explain away their own mass murder of innocent people. Did they really think there would never be a response? If so it explains yet again why, apart from the oil wealth created by the West, they are consistently living in third world surroundings. https://www.google.ca/search?dcr=0&....250...0j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i67k1.0.w1RW5NHndRI
     
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    So much summed up in so few words, and absolutely spot-on. It's exactly stating the stark fact of the matter which so many simpleton westerners are totally missing.
     
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    Look buddy, stop provoking me or I'll give the you other barrel! :mrgreen:
    Exactly right; but throughout my life I've realised the fruitlessness of trying to persuade someone to open their closed mind.
     
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    This prompts me to bring out a Rudyard Kipling quotation which goes

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."

    It's totally relevant to the situation in which we find ourselves, but the highlighted passage says it all??
     
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    Yep, plain and simple.

    2+2=4

    Too bad so many people are blinded by PC and other crap to see the real nature of Muslimhood.
     
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    Yes, and it's precisely that liberal naivety which is going to bring down the west. And sooner than we think, I'm afraid.
     
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    Just an excellent post, Thank You, and Kipling, once again, nailed it.

    What 'enemy at the gates' was he referring to? Was it a reference to this? http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.ca/2006/09/other-september-11th.html

    http://www.englisc-gateway.com/bbs/topic/42718-kiplings-the-stranger-within-my-gate/
     
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    I'm not as certain. The western democracies, with very few exceptions, have always been welcoming to those of foreign lands but now it's become apparent that a faction of Islam is not all that interested in contributing to the advancement of democracy and human freedoms but instead want to 'Islamicize' their host nations.

    Those who recognized this early on were called 'Right Wing', 'Racists', Fascists, Nazis' and, of course, 'Islamophobes', despite those names been better suited to many of the beliefs Muslims brought with them. Gradually, following the string of violence visible in headlines around the world, people began to catch on, especially those who realized their traditional neighborhoods were now gone and being replaced by hatreds, frequent violence and a people who cared nothing for local customs and traditions.

    For years ordinary people were afraid to speak up for fear of more 'cartoon' riots and murders, or along the line of what happened at Charlie Hebdo, or simply being called 'Islamophobic'. Now it's finally being openly discussed and Muslims seem perplexed at this turn, just as things appeared to be going so well.

    Muslims 'activists' must be ignored and the governments must be far more strict on their anti-social behavior. Islam, like Communism, Fascism, etc. has destroyed countless of lives, including its followers. It is a belief system to be avoided, discouraged and mocked whenever possible with people of all nations, including those now mired in Islam, to be free. It happened with Communism and Nazism when there were times many thought these ideologies would win but they were eventually defeated and the people living under these 'isms' were eventually freed also. The same is true of Islam and Islamism. It's victims are also Muslim men and (especially ) women whose lives have been so very restricted and often destroyed by this widespread lunacy of the most backward of religions.
     
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    It is the fastest growing religion

    As of 2011, it is predicted that the world's Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years.[citation needed] By 2030, Muslims will make up more than a quarter of the global population.[citation needed]


    Globally, Muslims have the highest fertility rate, an average of 3.1 children per woman—well above replacement level (2.1) due to young age of Muslims (median age of 23) compared to other religious groups
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth
     
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    Apparently the Buddhist government thinks so, it passed a law prohibiting Rohingya women from having more than two children.

    “The president of Myanmar has signed a controversial population control bill into law, state media reported on Saturday. The law requires mothers to have their children three years apart. It was passed over the objections of rights activists, who say that it not only represses women, but also religious and ethnic minorities.”


    "Now, currently Burma's population is about 60 million, but its current total fertility rate is at only 2.23 children per woman, not too far above the replacement rate of 2.1. So where is the crisis of burgeoning population growth to justify such a measure? Well, apparently the Act (The Population Control Health Care Act) was drafted under some pressure “from hard-line Buddhists with anti-Muslim sentiment in mind” according to Burmese media. It is the belief of some that the Muslim proportion of the population (around 10 percent of the whole) has such a high birth rate that it could end up becoming the majority in the future."

    http://college-ethics.blogspot.com/2015/05/controlling-muslim-population-in-myanmar.html

    Unfortunately, you haven't been keeping up with the news. Pakistan's Muslims are becoming ever more fundamentalist and repressive, and in India, the Muslim population has increased from 10 to 14% of the total in just 60 years, and now constitute a majority in two states. Interestingly from the Wikipedia page, India has the same problem with Muslims not working that Europe does... 41% of Hindus are employed in the workforce to just 33% of Muslims. That's better than Sweden's 9%, but still remarkable.
     
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    One of the responses might be to realize that Muslims are the victims of Islam, that without these 7th century dogmas they might be free human beings as well, to think freely and speak openly, to dress how they choose, that honor killings are without honor, that there is room for Gays and other spiritual and religious lessons on this earth, that women are born with the same human rights as men, and so on. It is the religion that should be under constant attack, as well as the fanatics, but not necessarily Muslims themselves.
     
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    Strawmen arguments of his own creation are much easier to knock down than the actual arguments being made.
     
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    It used to be just the fringes who would do that.

    But MSNBC went absolutely insane as to their partisanship followed by CNN. Now FOX has followed suite, heck even the sports shows are doing it now.

    People are inventing their own stories now just so they attack them as they see fit and it is coming from both sides. It used to be just twisting the story, or looking at it from only the angle they chose to. But now it is flat out lying and running with the lie as long as you are able.

    I am an ardent student of history and if you look back on all the successful (and some not so successful) tribes/cities/states/empires/nations/whatever, they end up tearing themselves apart. Very few are wiped out by a foreign entity.

    Knowing what I do about history makes what is going on absolutely fascinating to me.

    Only 5% of the Left is batshyte crazy and the same with the 5% on the hyper Right. It is the media pushing such a violent agenda and making the fringes seem to be more and more how the "average American" thinks. The media is bad enough, but it has been exacerbated by the speed of Social Media, people are now able to box themselves in an information circle of nothing but their own ideals. Worse yet, this echo chamber that is created starts to talk about the other side as "the enemy" or "evil" and this is where the violence stems from.

    But as we start to see people copying "their sides" media programs we see the general public doing the same. Everyone basically stops listening and starts yelling at each, what is funny is when you stop and listen to people argue you start to realize they aren't even talking about the same thing anymore.

    With how awful and partisan things have gotten, I truly believe that a Civil War is on the horizon and believe it will be the best thing for the country. It will wipe the debt clean and hopefully kill off as many of the hyper partisans as possible. Possibly best of all, it will make us create a new set of laws instead of the bloated bureaucracy of triple redundancies we have now.

    Let's play every historians favorite hypothetical game of "What If" and how I personally would be affected if I survived the war.

    If the Hyper Left won and we got a Bernie or something, the 50% or so taxes I pay now in overall taxes would go to say 60/70% or so and they would take my guns away from me.
    The Left are not the USSR no matter how much the Right wants to paint them as so.

    Likewise, if the Hyper Right won and we got Ted Cruz or something, they would probably ban abortion and ablish my medical marijuana card, while my taxes would drop to somewhere around 40%.
    The RIght are not the NAZI's no matter how much the Left wants to paint them as so

    But really, the two sides are not that far apart and if one of the fringe sides won the war, as you can see above, life in the US would not be insanely different. The likely outcome would be most of the hyper partisans would kill each other off and the rest of the country would eventually say "enough is enough". Some type of "agreement" would be made and life would be on it's way, hopefully we could really clean up the myriad list of laws we call a government. But there are no hyper issues to discuss like slavery so the war would be over small and petty little looking things when in reality, it would just be people super angry and wanting to hurt people whom they disagree with.

    The part that is most frustrating to me is that the hyper division seems to be over race relations. Literally almost every big time topic right now has to do with race, but how would you fix it? More importantly, what is the actual problem that needs fixing?

    So to that respect, again let's say the Hyper Left won in this hypothetical war, what would they do/give for BLM and the black community? What is the magic bullet? Would you literally just reprimand anyone's house that "fought for the Far Right" and give it to any black person who signed up?

    The list of demands from the BLM leadership is absolutely ridiculous. There are plenty of prominent and rich black people in society and blacks influence our culture as a whole on a ton of levels. The biggest problem is that more poor areas have a much higher % of blacks. Is it whites fault? Is it blacks fault? This is a perfect example of how the two sides sit there and blame and point while the most correct answer is somewhere in the middle.

    At this point, the VAST MAJORITY of Americans have no idea what they are actually angry about, they are just angry.
     
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    So at this point in Roman history, about 100 BC, the Roman Republican had been successfully governing the nation for over 6 centuries when all of the sudden the Senate started to simply become the new battlefield.

    It started with the Gracchi brothers, who did many things for the lower class including land reforms and Tiberius who was very vocal with his hatred for the upper classes. Overall, his biggest idea was to give houses from the rich to the poor. Tiberius was eventually clubbed on the Senate's steps along with a huge group of his followers, the first bloodshed in Rome's history for centuries.

    Most scholars nowadays see Tiberius's reforms have failed in the long term for mostly two reasons. First, the reforms were hyperly progressive that it REALLY changed Roman daily life, angering the middle and upper class enough to finally assassinate him. Two, he greatly over estimated how much the lower class would actually come out and support him. Overall, while they supported it, they either didn't care enough to go out and show that or were simply to lazy to go out and support him.

    Tiberius' brother Gracchus was elected 10 years later using the support of his assassinated brother from the urban poor.

    He brought about many different reforms, until eventually he went too far and lost his base. He basically wanted to offer citizenship for people outside of Rome, this angered the urban poor people who were his base so much that they organised a mob to go and kill him. He committed suicide instead, the second time of blood being shed....

    So now, people are all fired up and they have no idea who to trust. In the next 100 years the Republican became more and more violent until it cluminated in Sulla and Marius.

    When Julius Caesar came in with the military a lot of citizens were most likely thrilled at some sort of end to the violence of a Republic. Unfortunately he was murdered by the violence of the Republic in question.

    But his successor Octavian is celebrated as one of the most influential and beneficial people in history, all history. Yes he destroyed a lot of the power of the Senate, he brought decisiveness and authority to an organization that had become overall inefficient and violent. This system is awesome when you have a good ruler like Octavian(Augustus) but is HORRIBLE when you get stuck with someone like Nero.

    Anyways, point being, did you read all of that?

    Does it sound familiar?
     
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    where according to my source does it mention who said it?
     
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    Nope. They follow the Quran strict to the letter.
     
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    It's just the fact that there is no Muslim nation, with or without a strict sharia law, that has a policy to kill Jews and Christians.
    That's nothing but nazi rhetoric that it is.


    Israel isn't a Jew. And when Israel stops ethnic cleansing and give back what they have thieved through the decades... only than will they find peace. Not just with Muslim countries. Israel stands alone in the world. Countries who acknowledge their conquest is zero. ZERO!
     
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    So the fact that the Jewish population of Iran in 1948 was over 100,000 and today is under 9,000 is okay because it's not official policy, eh? The pogroms of Russia during the 1800s were okay because they weren't official policy, right? It doesn't require an official policy of killing people to repress them to the point of death or expulsion. As for Israel, the Palestinians and Muslim countries will never be satisfied until Israel is gone, no amount of compromise on Israel's part will change that. It's pointless to even try. In my opinion, Israel has bent too far over backwards already trying to make peace with people bent on their destruction. **** 'em.
     
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