Nadler: Formal Impeachment procedures now underway

Starting an impeachment inquiry and discussing potential articles of impeachment could be advantageous in removing Trump in the November elections, but actually impeaching Trump could easily be disastrous and result in Trump's victory in the 2020 elections. The Democrats would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Here's why.

The House must be very cautious. All this could backfire on Democrats. I honestly am not the least bit concerned about the welfare of Democrats, but impeachment failure could easily result in a Trump victory in 2020. That I am concerned about.

The evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors must be substantial and bipartisan. We are not there yet, not even close.

The evidence must be substantial to bring Americans onboard. They are not onboard yet. Only 37 percent of voters say Congress should begin impeachment proceedings against Trump, according to the poll, which was conducted Thursday. More voters, 46 percent, say Congress should not begin impeachment proceedings. That was as of July 26, which was after the Mueller congressional hearings.

For impeachment to succeed and result in Trump's removal from office, Americans must support the move overwhelmingly. Congress works for us.

The evidence must be bipartisan or else it will fail in the Republican Senate trial where 67 Senators must approve of the Republican President's removal. As mentioned, impeachment failure in the Senate most likely will cause a Trump victory in 2020.

In fact, that is Trump's only chance.

If the evidence is not substantial and bipartisan, the solution is obvious if the intent is to remove Trump from office. Allow Trump to fall on his own petard. He is doing a masterful job of doing just that every time he opens his mouth.

If one's political opponent is self-destructing, don't interfere.

Wait for the Presidential election.

Some dreamy Americans think it is the patriotic duty of the House to impeach Trump. That is whimsical at best, dangerous at worst. It is our patriotic duty to remove Trump from office. A failed impeachment attempt will accomplish the very opposite. The most dire national security threat to our country is another four years of Trump.

Events in the past weeks have many convinced of that assertion. Thirty-six Americans were killed, many more wounded, and the shooters were inspired by our current President.

 

Nope! You can't have a vote unless you have something to vote on.

Uhmmm... you just rebutted your own post. So there is such thing as a "formal impeachment process".

 

Indeed... A person is either impeached or not impeached and Trump is NOT impeached ... and it's extremely unlikely he will ever be, convincing 40-50 dems from swing districts to lose their jobs for the sake of a futile exercise will be quite a challenge.... The chances of Trump being actually removed from office are less than zero, given that even a giant political witch hunt has found no indictable crimes and thus completely exonerated him.

Have I forgotten to mention that the concept of "formal impeachment proceedings" exists in sick imagination of idiot Nadler and even more moronic TDS victims who take him seriously LOL In reality it means that Nadler has nothing to impeach Trump with, nor he has the votes.

Dude, you're a riot today

We don't, a fat stupid cretin is making a fool of himself, we just make fun of him but basically ignore it. Let him entertain the TDS crowd, now that Mueller's show is over with no happy end for them. Does it work for you?

 

But that is what impeachment is for. To find out if there is sufficient evidence to remove the President.

And the only way for that to happen is if they see the President and his accomplices telling their story. How else could that happen? I see absolutely no way.

I'm convinced Republican Senators already know how they will vote. But this is the part that concerns me the least. Impeachment will succeed or fail in the House. If the House shows the American people that Trump is guilty, it won't make any difference what happens in the Senate. And if they don't... well... the battle is lost and we just have to start getting used to living in a Dictatorship. It won't be as bad considering that the alternative would be a Democracy run by incompetent legislators.

I believe there is much much more at stake here than just winning the Presidency. It's the rule of law and knowledge that nobody is above the law, ... And these are not just "idealistic" goals. It's Democracy. Do we really live in a democracy, or is it just an illusion? If it's an illusion... what difference does it make who the President is? Our citizens may be too ignorant to live in a real democracy. This is how we will know for sure.

 

Don't you worry about that. Those 40-50 dems will lose their jobs faster if they don't vote for impeachment. But if they protect Trump, they won't have any chance of ever winning it back. Whereas if they vote their conscience... even if they lost the red vote... Trump's demographics is "built" to diminish considerably in the next few years. So they can be back...

What you should be worried about is that the same mechanism is true for Republicans in swing districts.... and swing states.

 

What you should be worried adout is,
That's all the Democrat party needs is 40-50 seated Dems being challenged in primaries. Their re-election probability would have been between 90-98%.

 

They didn't refuse to answer questions they fully cooperated with the criminal investigation and no charges were brought. What are they going to tell Nadler they didn't tell Mueller and the DOJ? The is nothing on the table which has been folded and put away. The DOJ already adjudicated the matter. Of course if one did and then once again brought no criminal charges since there was no crime you'd pull another one out of your hat and another round of "Just you wait and see NOW we got him".

 

LOL, dude, between your "Trump won't run", "won't be nominated", "won't win", "will be frog-marched by Mueller", "no by the SDNY", " no, Stormy has his number", "no the fixer will do him in" you so far have had an absolutely perfect 100% record of FAILURE

This is your first accurate prediction, congratulations! The radical pro-impeachment, uber-leftist idiots in the Democrat party have put these moderate dems from swing districts in an impossible bind, they are screwed either way. Unless we have a major economic or military calamity in the next 15 months, Trump easily wins his 2nd term and the republicans win back the house on his coat tails. Impeach - Dems lose, don't impeach - Trump wins.

You don't seriously expect American people to vote for open border (free health insurance and education for everyone), race-baiting, socialist, gun-grabbing, reparation offering, pro-outsourcing leftist candidates-midgets or an allegedly more moderate senile Biden, do you?

 

Whatever it is you are trying to say might have made more sense if you had written it in English. But I will tell you this: some of us place patriotism above partisanship. So if those 40 or 50 lose, they will be sacrificing their seats for their country. Trump demographics ensures that those seats will not be lost for long. The guy is sure to go down in history in infamy. And I'm sure history will catch up quickly enough for them to get another run at it.

 

What the hell are you talking about? Do you have a bunch of strawman arguments written down and just draw a handful out of a hat when you run out of arguments?

 

Any of those 40 or 50 lose and you would be the first to screech election tampering/disenfranchisement/fraud/tampering. As for patriotism, I am stunned you even know the word.

 

Dude, come on, I actually gave you credit where it was due, you were right, the left are screwed whether they impeach or don't, especially those moderate dems who were elected on their promises of working across the aisle. How have they done so far?

It's not my fault that the Dems are in a hole so deep that it's impossible to dig out of, I did not force them to willingly participate in an illegal coup and spend 3 years lying about conspiracies, treasons and similar nonsense. Now that Mueller has repeatedly acknowledged that he does not have enough to charge a jay-walking violation I get it why your ilk is frustrated but don't take your frustration out on me. I am not the enemy, the enemy is TDS and I wish you luck in 2024.

 

yes, nothing more... it proves that the dnc is far beyond desperate... they've gone full blown batsh*t crazy... impeach trump, russians, impeach trump, orange, imoeach trump, racist, impeach trump, co2 impeach trump, illegals impeach trump, minimum wage impeach trump, reperations impeach trump, pollution impeach trump, guns imoeach trump, oxygen impeach trump, just impeach trump impeach trump... they ran outta ideas impeach trump, mars is uninhabitable impeach trump, winter is cold impeach trump, summer is warm impeach trump, water flows from your faucet impeach trump, car tires need air impeach trump...

 

I rebutted your post which stated that you can't have Articles of Impeachment without a formal process. You can and I gave an example.

And I rebutted your claim that the current goings on are the formal process and it isn't. The formal process starts with a House resolution that initiates the inquiry.

 

Sandy, the expression is hoist by one's own petard. If one falls on one's own petard he just gets up and continues on his way.

 

It’s going about as I expected it would.

The timetable is a bit aggressive. The cases involving Trump’s baseless orders forbidding people from testifying have to be resolved. And the White House will do everything it can to run the clock out with these in court. I doubt that they will succeed. But it may take longer than people think.

I expect the rogue’s gallery to be on stage by late next spring at the latest.

 

Support for impeachment a month ago was at 21%, and that was the high water mark. It’s now declining. It will level off at about 15%.

Impeachment is Democrat suicide.

 

it's a last ditch attempt to distract the uninformed, low attention span voter... they think it will take the attention off of them, that's how looney they've become.

by 'they' & 'them' i mean the batsh*t nutjobs of the dnc.

 

Everyone knows that IG Horowitz investigation into FISA abuse led to criminal referrals for Comey. Durham & Barr reportedly declining prosecution ... at this particular time. :: The FISA scandal won't explode until Sept. when Horowitz is expected to submit his report, and the rest of his criminal referrals. Blue wave? Should've capitilized on it when you had the chance.

 

Keep believing that. Of course there were no indictments, because there was only exoneration.

 

Impeachment

 

and just like that, no indictment equals exoneration

 

Actually, the rogue's gallery will be on stage In September for their third debates (my how time goes by). It ought to be fun to hear which will screech the loudest "impeach, impeach". I suspect it will be the most desperate among the 15 or so still in the clown car.

 

Kind of like the 10 Benghazi hearings leading up to the 2016 election.

 

Another "patriot" making fun of an attack that killed Americans that could have been stopped.