Nadler invitation to Trump

Right-wing media was going crazy a couple of days ago. They thought they had found a new Red Herring. It went something like this: "Democrats won't allow Trump to question his accusers, or have counsel present". Even some on this forum were repeating what they got from wingnut radio and bloggers, and on Trump TV

Nadler quickly responded to the nonsense.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/nadler-trump-impeachment-invite/index.html

I predict Trump will decline the invitation. He won't come, of course, but he'll refuse to even send counsel. I could be wrong but... what would they ask? He's guilty as hell. And he knows there is no rational way out. Best thing for him is to stay away and hope his loyalists don't find out so they can continue using the absurd talking point.

 

The problem is that everything is subject to the approval of the Chair. In general, defense is accorded to freedom at least equal to the prosecution. In this case, that may or may not happen.

 

I think you have hit the nail squarely on its head, Golem.

He is not going to show himself...and he may not send counsel.

If that is the way things go...that will be the first smart thing he has done in this entire proceeding.

 

What happened to the 2 year Russian charge? The dems keep throwing stuff against the wall but nothing will stick. Trump would be crazy to show up for the Jerry circus. Trump is busy MAGA while the dems keep forming a circular firing squad. The voters clearly see the farce and will vote the dems out.

 

Why participate in a Dog and Pony show. Just impeach him already and send it to the Senate. When the Senate investigates during Trumps trial. Testimony from the Biden's, Chris Heinz and Devon Archer as well as depositions by Zelensky and Shokin will be key to determining whether Trump was legitimately going after corruption or seeking to damage a political rival. That's why Pelosi will never let it get that far.

 

Yeah, just like they did in the 2018 mid-terms

 

The republicans saw it immediately in the mid-terms, the democrats take a little longer. Hang on to your hat come November 2019 and 2020.

 

YOu did mildly better than average in the House in 2018 and lost seats in the senate that is scarcely bragging rights. You were gifted most of that by retiring neocons and never Trumpers.

 

And dont forget the msm constantly during the midterms saying we got evidence of collusion . Trump is guilty , trump is hittler , trump is a nazi . Nobody is falling for their lies anymore.

 

Why would he give any cachet to this preposterous nonsense?

 

So you don't really want any representation?

 

In a show trial what's the point you just make it look like you think it's real. May as well wait for the real deal, the one that actually matters in the Senate.

 

Works for me, but don't complain later.

 

That is a pathetic comment. You make it sound like that has been true since the Democrats took control of the House. "Everything is subject to the approval of the Chair" has been true for over a hundred years regardless of which party controls the House.

In case you didn't notice, the chair openly invited Trump and his counsel to participate in the hearings.

I agree with the OPer. Trump, his close associates in the White House, current and former, his counsel, and his personal lawyer will not show up. His excuse, the Constitutionally mandated impeachment inquiry is a "sham."

The real reason, Trump is guilty as hell, and he has too much to lose. He will rely on Trump Republicans to cover his a$$ in the Senate.

And they will do it seemingly unaware that Trump is leading them into the abyss. They are not paying attention to recent elections beginning with the ones in 2018. They have been disastrous for the GOP.

 

The Hill writes, "Each side is trying to make the case that public opinion is trending in their favor — but there is little evidence either way.

"There was a measurable rise in pro-impeachment sentiment around the time that Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky became public in late September.

"In that call, Trump prodded Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden, as well as a conspiracy theory relating to purported Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 presidential election."

This is what many cannot understand. It seems today that many Americans have forgotten that in that phone call Trump asked for foreign intervention in our Presidential election and used bribery as a motivational tool. Both are impeachable offenses.

Republicans, on the other hand, completely ignore the gravity of the charges and think that what Trump did was not impeachable when it clearly is.

The Hill continued, "All of the drama since then — high-profile hearings on Capitol Hill and counterblasts from the president’s Twitter account and his political and media allies — has not shifted the ground appreciably.

"A CNN/SSRS poll released Tuesday showed exactly the same split as the previous month on the question of whether Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty percent of U.S. adults surveyed were in favor of his removal, 43 percent were against — the same as in late October."

In other words about half of all Americans think that the President asking for foreign interference in our elections and using bribery is okay. They don't care about the horrible precedent being set. It is difficult to understand that reasoning.

 

It is not a show trial. The judiciary committee will likely draw up the articles of impeachment if there are sufficient grounds. So,you think Trump will concede to the impeachment charges he is accused of and offer no defense, relying on Republicans in the Senate to cover his a$$?

Regardless of how this turns out, if you are right, those are the actions of a guilty man.

Of course, we all know that already, even you.

BTW, I think Trump will do that, too.

 

The chair has not exactly been fair up to this date. A different chair, but a democratic chair none the less.

 

Show trial or not, your boy is in clear danger of being removed. You trust Republicans in the Senate to blindly vote to save him despite all evidence pointing to his being guilty. I don't trust Republican Senators' patriotism at all, so you may be right. But it would be a huge gamble for Trump if he were innocent.

When all the evidence is in, and the time to vote for or against his removal comes, I'd be surprised if you find any American who is not a Trump blind loyalist and believes that an innocent man would refuse to defend himself.

 

You aren't conceding anything that isn't already a fait accompli. They'll almost certainly vote to impeach assuming there are are enough red state house members willing to risk getting hammered in the election and that's pretty much regardless of what Trump does and everyone here with a functioning brain knows it.

 

A. The evidence is make believe.
B. The trial happens in the Senate not the house Nadled is just show boating and he knows it.
C. There is nothing Trump can say or do that will matter one whit to the out come and everyone knows it. Assuming enough red state Dems are willing to risk the political consequences Trump will be impeached.
D. The time to mount a defence is during the trial. There is no point in showing up at this sham and giving it a dignity it doesn't deserve

 

Make believe or not, it definitely makes you believe that Trump is guilty.

It doesn't matter. All the evidence points to his guilt. As I said, if you trust that Republican will blindly vote to save him... you may be right. But that's not going to help Trump among the general population.

Well... sure. Because he's guilty. An innocent person would always have a lot to say and do.

What do you mean there is no point? If he proves his innocence in the Democratic controlled house, he is sure to be re-elected. Not so much if he starts showing his evidence in the Senate.

Let's be clear.... Trump cannot mount any sort of defense for one thing and one thing only: because he's guilty. You know that, of course. So don't fool yourself because you're not fooling anybody else.

 

Are you kidding do you honestly believe Nadled would allow that to happen? The only evidence you have doesn't even point to a misdemeanor let alone a high crime

 

"Lets give the guilty SOB a fair trial before we hang him". Right?

 

Jeez, even when we give you guys what you say you want you still bitch and moan. I though Nadler's invitation was downright neighborly.

 

Wouldn't it be entertaining if he sent Rudy?