Nancy Pelosi: ICE Agents are Voter Suppression

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  1. FatBack

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    She needs to go away, Congress should not be a career, much lest a rest home. Term limits, both sides.

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    Illegal voter supression.
     
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    Just an fyi: "antifa" is not an organization.

    As for my personal objections: armed people at polling places are intimidating no matter who they represent. What, exactly, are they guarding against? It isn't like someone is trying to steal voting machines or boxes full of ballots. In my opinion, weapons of any sort should not be allowed within 500 feet of a polling place, just as we don't allow candidates to post their people near polls and accost voters by promoting a candidate or an issue. Armed guards at the polls is something they do in places like Zimbabwe and Belarus.
     
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    Why would legal registered voters be intimidated? They would probably be grateful for the increased security.
    If you aren't violating laws, there's not reason to fear or be concerned with police presence. Didn't know that, huh?
     
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    Guns in public places make most people uncomfortable. See #28.
     
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    Please prove that claim.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sigh ... it took all of five seconds to look that up.

    https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote
     
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    From Wiki:

    Further information: New Jersey gubernatorial election, 1981

    Ballot Security Task Force
    The task force consisted of a group of armed, off-duty police officers wearing armbands, who were hired to patrol polling sites in African-American and Hispanic neighborhoods of Newark and Trenton.

    Initially, 45,000 letters were mailed (using an outdated voter registration list) to primarily Latino and African-American citizens. Many of these letters were later returned as non-deliverable, and the 45,000 addresses were used to create a list of voters. These voters were then challenged by the BSTF, a practice known as voter caging.

    In addition, the Republican National Committee filed a request for election supervisors to strike these voters from the rolls, but the commissioners of registration refused when they discovered that the RNC had used outdated information.

    On New Jersey's election day in 1981, the BSTF posted large signs, without identification but with an official appearance, reading

    WARNING
    THIS AREA IS BEING PATROLLED BY THE
    NATIONAL BALLOT
    SECURITY TASK FORCE
    IT IS A CRIME TO FALSIFY A BALLOT OR
    TO VIOLATE ELECTION LAWS

    Armed members of the Task Force "were drawn from the ranks of off-duty county deputy sheriffs and local police," who "prominently displayed revolvers, two-way radios, and BSTF armbands." BSTF patrols "challenged and questioned voters at the polls and blocked the way of some prospective voters" in predominantly African-American and Hispanic areas. Democrat James J. Florio lost the gubernatorial election to Republican Thomas H. Kean by 1,797 votes.

    1982 lawsuit and consent decree

    A civil lawsuit was filed after the election by the DNC, which alleged that the RNC had violated the Voting Rights Act and engaged in illegal harassment and voter intimidation. The suit was settled in 1982, when the Republican National Committee and New Jersey Republican State Committee, instead of a trial, signed a consent decree in U.S. District Court saying that they would not allow tactics that could intimidate Democratic voters, though they did not admit any wrongdoing.

    The consent decree, entered on November 1, 1982, prevented the Republican Party "from engaging in activities that suppress the vote, particularly when it comes to minority voters." It also barred the wearing of armbands at polling places. Under the consent decree "the Republican party organizations agreed to allow a federal court to review proposed 'ballot security' programs, including any proposed voter caging." The consent decree was set to expire in December 2017. A successor consent decree, applying to several states, was entered on July 27, 1987.

    Republican attempts to lift consent decree

    The Republican Party has attempted several times, unsuccessfully, to terminate the consent decree, arguing that it is "antiquated" and unnecessary. The Democratic National Committee had countered by arguing that "recent campaigns show the 'consent degree remains necessary today.'" In 2009, a New Jersey federal judge rejected the RNC's request to vacate the consent decree, and this ruling was unanimously affirmed by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in 2012. The Supreme Court declined to hear the RNC's appeal in 2013.

    2016 motion

    On October 26, 2016, the DNC filed a motion asking the U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey to find that the RNC had violated the consent decree. The motion was filed after the campaign of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump suggested, without evidence, that the election was "rigged" in favor of his opponent Hillary Clinton and urged Trump supporters to watch the polls to combat supposed "voter fraud." The DNC also sought to extend the duration of the consent decree. A shortened discovery occurred, and on November 5 the court denied the request. The court determined that the DNC did not present "sufficient evidence of coordination between the Trump campaign and the RNC on ballot-security operations" but did "allow the DNC to offer further evidence after the election."

    Expiration of consent decree

    The consent decree restricting Republican Party conduct was set to expire on December 1, 2017, but Democrats sought an extension, alleging that statements from Donald Trump campaign officials showed the RNC had engaged in activities in violation of the decree. U.S. District Judge John Michael Vazquez allowed the Democratic Party to take the deposition of Sean Spicer before issuing a decision on whether the decree should be allowed to expire, but denied Democrats' motions for hearings on the issue. On January 8, Judge John Vasquez ruled that the decree had expired on December 1, and would not be extended.
     
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    And thankfully we have the electoral college, while it lasts. California can get 200 billion votes for Biden and still only get so many electoral votes.
    The problem is counting foreigners into the apportionment for representation. States that ignore federal immigration law want to increase the number of reps they have in the House as well as the number of electoral votes.

    States that help uphold federal immigration law get punished.
     
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    We already have term limits. They're called elections. If her constituents like her, who are we to tell them otherwise?
     
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    See #28.
     
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    That I doubt. I reckon its more like a few people. But for the sake of argument- so we shouldn't have any armed LE at all at or near polling stations?
     
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    At some point you might realize I was putting you on. Now go back and reread it and see if the message doesn't come out a bit different.
     
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    Maybe we want armed people at the polling places now to prevent violent leftists from attacking predominantly red polling places. Liberals have gotten way out of hand.
     
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    That Republican and long time Dem operative?
     
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    Aliens and Voter Fraud




    Why would legal citizens be afraid to vote just because they see a LEO? I sure wasn't afraid just because a cop was at my polling station when I voted for Trump.
     
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    Biden’s pal Ms Harris called ICE agents the klan...a vote for a dem means open borders...‘ more drugs, violence, rape, child sex slaves and death
     
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    Well he's still just a kid...
     
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    If ANTIFA then how do they collect the money from the DNC and George Soros?:

    “While it’s been proven that funders like Soros and the Democrat Party have paid protest organizers and some protesters, groups like the violent Black Bloc [sic – black bloc refers to a set of tactics, not a group] typically aren’t motivated by money, but instead come to protests because of their anti-American ideology, base criminal desires and thrill seeking.”

    Nonetheless, the left-wing billionaire George Soros has ties to Antifa through a group called the Alliance for Global Justice (AfGJ). Soros’s philanthropy, known at the time as the Open Society Institute, gave $100,000 to AfGJ ($50,000 in 2004 and $50,000 in 2006).

    Acting as a fiscal sponsor, AfGJ gave $50,000 to Refuse Fascism, an unincorporated Antifa group. Fiscal sponsors are recognized tax-exempt 501(c)(3) nonprofits that take in donations on behalf of unincorporated or small groups so that donors can deduct the donations from their taxes, charging the group receiving the donation a processing fee.
    https://capitalresearch.org/article...es,AfGJ ($50,000 in 2004 and $50,000 in 2006).

    Additional, you are apparently against enforcing Election laws and the US Constitution. The federal agents are a part of the Executive Branch of the Government. In other words, they are a part of the Presidential authority. Article two Section 3 of the US Constitution states:

    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States. (emphasis added by me)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artic...s_Constitution#Section_2:_Presidential_powers

    The President has both the authority and the duty to provide federal agents to monitor the elections. Now, if you want to rewrite the US Constitution, the get elected to the Congress and see if you can get enough to go along with you. Then see if you can get enough states to ratify the change. I really doubt that you could do get elected, change the US Constitution, and get enough states to ratify the change. So it is time for you to move on!!!!
     
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    The Constitution grants the states the rights to run voter polling places so federal troops or federal agents such as ICE would just interfere with the election process. If ICE really wants to find illegals go to meat processing plants and corporate farms.
     
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    Why would ice agents bother a legal resident, I'd only slow down long enough to say "thank you for your service"
     
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    That would be my preference. Why would we need them? Why not just call them if there's a problem, just like we usually do?
     
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    Given the way the left behaves today, there's more of an argument for protection at polling places than ever before.
     
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    Apologies. Sarcasm does not translate well in this medium. Instead of scolding me for missing it, you might try a little clarity next time. I don't know you well enough to know when you're kidding.
     
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    And conservatives are often afraid of imaginary scenarios that have no basis in logic or reason. On the extremely remote possibility that a group of antifa knuckleheads show up at a polling place to do something besides vote, poll workers probably already have a protocol for contacting law enforcement.

    And isn't your fear a really good justification for mail in voting? Sure sounds like it to me. There, you see? Problem solved.
     

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