Nancy Pelosi: ICE Agents are Voter Suppression

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  1. Sleep Monster

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    Oh ffs, please lose the snark.

    No election involving humans is ever completely secure. That's a very unrealistic ideal.

    As for Trump, has he not been saying that if he loses, it will only be due to a rigged election? Is he not already announcing that he will not accept the election results unless he wins? Are you okay with that?

    Is he not going out of his way to turn voters against the idea of mail-in ballots, knowing that it makes it much easier (and safer this year) than taking time off work to stand in long lines at the polls? He's complaining about a rigged election while trying to rig the election.

    I'll blame him all I want if he keeps doing sh!t like this.
     
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    Yes, that's the plan in many states.

    I haven't voted in person since 2000 when I still lived in NYC. In CA, I had permanent absentee status and did not have to supply a reason. In CO, there are no in-person polls.
     
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    In vote-by-mail states, as in most states, you have to prove citizenship when you register. When ballots are mailed out, they only go to resgistered voters.

    No election is completely secure. That's an unrealistic expectation. But the process by which mail-in/absentee ballots are counted is more secure than Trump would have you believe. If you are interested, I can give you a step-by-step of that process as it exists in CO, CA, OR, and WA. Cheating is extremely difficult, as the statistics compiled by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation will show you:

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
     
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    Claims are not evidence.

    If there is truly nothing to worry about, let those who believe voter fraud is not a problem go about proving such conclusively, beyond reasonable doubt.
     
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    Oh ffs! The righties on this forum need to get a freaking grip!

    Where, in any of these paranoid "massive voter fraud" threads did I ever say that there was nothing to worry about? All I've been doing is pointing out two things:

    1. No election is ever 100% secure, not in the history of civilization. That's an unrealistic expectation.

    2. Voting by mail is no more subject to cheating than in-person voting.

    :wall:

    Geebus. Follow the link in #78.
     
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    Why should the process for voting in elections in the united states, not be subjected to the same sort of standards and restrictions that are placed on legal firearms ownership?
     
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    We do get blamed for right wing knuckleheads and your side has been rioting, looting, burning and assaulting on a daily basis and even murdering since George Floyd.
     
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    Pelosi is a deranged lying hater. She hates Americans and Law Enforcement. She is an insufferable demented shrew and the only way the American People will be free of her is for the GOP to retake the House.

    THEY CONTROL THE CITIES AND THE PEOPLE BURNING THEM: Democrats are pretending the cities aren’t burning.

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    Joe and the Ho'
     
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    I've found a YouTube channel (Portland Andy) and have watched him for weeks restreaming the riots. The incredible amount of violence going on every night is amazing. Yet the media and democrats continue to insist these are peaceful protests.
     
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    Then stop moving the goal posts. :shrugs:

    No one is asking for it to be completely secure. That is a strawman to attempt to dismiss the concerns. What's being asked for is to make it as secure as possible. To the point that we KNOW it won't have such an affect as to possibly decide ANY election. At the very least you can stop dismissing the concerns for the simple fact that there is nothing in place to detect non-citizens voting until long after an election is decided and a review is done every few years.

    This has nothing to do with Trump. As I said, I've been arguing these points LONG before Trump arrived on the scene. The only thing Trump has done is bring it to the forefront. Are you OK with non-citizens voting in our elections? Are you OK that they can possibly decide an election? Are you ok with foreign interference in our elections?
     
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    Bold: See, strawman. Xenamnes did not ask for 100% secure. He asked that it be proved that it is not a problem. Not a problem = not going to affect an election outcome. Not a problem =/= 100% secure.
     
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    I have noticed that Nancy Pelosi has something wrong with her. I was watching her today, flapping her hands and getting all hyper excited. I worked with the mentally disabled for 23 years and I know one when I see one. I suspect her problem is stress/anxiety related. TDS I suppose. Can they roll out SOMEONE who isn't deranged in some way???
     
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    And in those vote by mail states you have to request a ballot. Democrats are currently demanding that ballots be mailed out en masse with no regard to who those ballots go to. And those vote by mail states still have in-person voting stations.
     
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    It is.
     
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    Is there any actual evidence of widespread voting in presidential elections by illegals?
     
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    No one actually knows. There is nothing in place to detect them on a regular basis. If SSN's from the IRS and birth dates was tied to it we'd have a better chance. But its not. So we can't tell with any accuracy.

    And yeah, I know...SSN's are for citizens. Problem being is that illegals use stolen and fake SSN's all the time. Last I looked about 70% of undocumented working people use stolen or fake SSN's. Many of those stolen SSN's are from children.
     
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    I repeat (since you seem to have missed it) "You don't see me holding you responsible ..." and I didn't call it "your side" as if I were blaming you. Stop with the snarky accusations. Never in my life have I ever supported any person or group using violence of any sort. Never. Did you expect me to fix it, or what? Contrary to what you seem to think, I'm not that powerful.
     
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    And yet that doesn’t stop many people from acting like they do know.
     
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    I don't know where you live, but I've voted in three states: CA, NY, and CO. In all three, in order to register, you have to prove citizenship with either your birth certificate or naturalization papers. If you aren't registered, you can't vote in person unless you bring said documents with you to register at the polls, if your state allows that. If you aren't registered in CA as absentee, you don't get a ballot. If you aren't registered in CO where it's been mail-in only for many years, you don't get a ballot.

    To repeat what I've said here many times: no voting method is 100% secure and never has been, but mail-in is every bit as secure as in person.

    I've also provided this link several times now, but no one seems to be reading it.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

    If massive fraud is listed for any state, do please point it out. If illegals are voting in droves in any state, do please point it out. Otherwise, I'm done with this topic.
     
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    See #94.
     
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    No, you do not. In CO, OR, and WA, ballots are mailed to all registered voters. In CA and NY, ballots are mailed to registered voters who have requested and obtained absentee status. Because of the virus, the plan for many states, at least for this election, is to follow the process as it currently exists in those states that already do mail-in voting only.

    I can't answer for other states, but in CO you cannot do in person voting, not exactly. In 2018, the ballot that was mailed to me had my name misspelled (which I failed to notice until the last minute), so on election day, I had to go to the DMV and have it replaced with a new one, which included handing in the unmarked "bad" one. That process involved once again proving my identity and address, receiving a new mail-in ballot, and filling it out at one of a row of convenient partitioned tables, then sealing the envelope, sigining the outside of the envelope just as I would have done at home, and dropping it into the box available at the DMV, one of many drop boxes in town.

    Democrats are not asking for en masse ballots, only ballots for registered voters, because it is when you register that you show your "papers" proving citizenship.

    In order to prevent double-dipping, NJ plans to go all mail-in and for those who don't get their ballots in time or simply want to vote in person, the in person votes will be provisional until the verify that you haven't already voted by mail.
     
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    Right. I called it your side then. Your side can't get over Charlottesville, blame Trump and Republicans even though we condemn those people.

    But your side doesn't condemn Antifa and BLM who have murdered and killed, assaulted and looted and burned and rioted.
     
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    Term limits for Congress violate the constitution and are not what the founders wanted.
     
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    Stay rude, then. Keep spewing warmed-over rhetoric. Don't look anything up, don't learn facts, stay in your partisan bubble.
     

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