Nancy Pelosi regains my trust...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    ^ More how I saw it.

    I can't stand Trump, but he looked strong - even Reagan-like - and they looked like 2 year olds.
     
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    I thought it was masterful to demonstrate just how unable to hold a conversation both Nancy and Chuck are without stumbling and bumbling back to their one line talking points. It was like a collage of hyperbolic cliche... The best part is all of the folks who are pointing to them as the demonstration of intellect they perceive in their performance. Sort of sets the bar if you will for those who so actively support them.
     
  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    If your concern is how expensive it is, doing nothing would be even less expensive. And it would be just as effective as the wall.
     
  4. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They brought out his racism, etc? I think you listened to him through some filter and that is all that you hear. I did not vote for him, I do not like his persona, his obsession with his ego, but I have not ever picked up racism in what he has said. But I grew up in the 50s South where I saw real racism, and the bar has been dropped, at least that would explain your filter and a filtered perception.

    I cannot understand how one can objectively see trump as a racist. I don't think the evidence is there to have such an opinion. And so I have to consider what hatred and partisanship does to a brain, its effect, its conditioning. Only that explains such exclamations of racism. It is created in some minds, but is a false perception. Reality does not reflect it at all.
     
  5. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump PWNED them in that video and OP thinks it was the other way around. Ladies and gents, let this be proof that TDS is real and should be covered under insurance.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pelosi wants cheap labor for business, using illegal aliens. She also wants the illegals to be made legal, so they can vote for the DP and keep the DP and democrats in power. She and other democrats are serving their own power and the power of the DP, over the GOP. It's the age old struggle for power. It consumes both parties.

    So because of this Pelosi doesn't represent anyone, but those who finance her campaigns, and her party. She doesn't represent average working americans, no matter what color. The average american democrat isn't getting represented by Pelosi, or any other democrat as far as I know. It doesn't say much about the average american democrat. Except they need to wake the hell up!
     
  7. garyd

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    Wrong on all counts. Letting another few million ill educated poorly, if at all, trained illegal immigrants into country would cost us more than the wall, and another 40K ICE and border patrol agents combined
     
  8. Dayton3

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    That did not happen.

    Besides, lying to justify a war is not an impeachable offense.
     
  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You make the completely inaccurate assumption that the only way there is political gain would be if the Senate removes him. Politically, If the Senate acquits, it would be a huge loss for patriotism and the concept that this country is governed by the rule of law But from the purely political point of view, it would probably be the biggest blow to Republicans in history,. Much worse than Ford pardoning Nixon.

    I don't know why you say "either" All of Trump;s crimes and high crimes and misdemeanors would be included I don't even know if "incompetence" is one of them. But it's a long list. Obsruction of Justice, abuse of power, violating the oath of office, conspiracy to violate campaign contribution laws, conspiracy to defraud the United States, ...and many more.. And those are only the ones we have clear evidence for. There are many that we are likely to see definitive evidence for when Mueller submits his report, and/or during the impeachment trial.

    That's just a red herring. Fact is that Trump broke the law. In some instances in a way so public that he made it impossible to argue against impeachment. I don't think it will get any better for him when Mueller releases his report.
     
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    Dems consider not being democrat an impeachable offense.
     
  11. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    First of all, let me clarify: I know that on this forum you will encounter many peolle with these "filters" you mention. If you pay attention to what I write, you will see that I am not one of them. My "sig" is not a "slogan". It's a clarification. Every single thing I write here has been researched. Which doesn't mean I'm right all the time. It only means that no statement that I write was made gratuitously.

    Now... There is no "bar" concerning racism. There is only a demarcation line. You can't be "a bit" racist any more than a woman cant be "a bit" pregnant. "Racism" is the belief that the predominant (perceived) ethnic group in a territory is superior to all others. You either have that perception or you don't. There is no "middle of the road" Obviously hangings, beatings slavery and segregation are extreme expressions of racism. But idea that you need to exhibit certain "degree" of behavior to be considered a racist, is absurd.. Anybody who would refuse to rent an apartment to another person because of their skin color is just as racist as another who would beat up another human being because they "perceive" them as being of a different "race".

    So, if not racism, please tell me how you explain that Trump keeps making, not only in this meeting, but again and again statements that have been amply proven false. Refugees are not carrying drugs. They might find drugs on somebody seeking asylum, but it's very rare. They are not terrorists. They are not criminals. The level of criminality among illegal immigrants, and even more so among refugees, is far below that of the general population.

    So how do you explain the fact that Trump keeps making those false statements? Even though they have been proven false so many times.
     
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  12. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm afraid you underestimate illegal immigrants. There are of many types. Many illegal immigrants are much better educated than your typical Trump-loyalist racist xenophobe.
     
  13. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It happened. It's on tape as it happened. Why do Republicans think that the argument that Democrats have a recording studio full of lookalikes who make tapes which the people being "framed" never deny, is credible?

    As for being impeachable... I can't go onTV and lie to the people saying that .... Belize.... has WMDs, or has purchased yellowcake from Nigeria to justify invading them causing the death of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands (if not millions= of Iraqis You need to be in a high government position to do that.
     
  14. Dayton3

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    If four doctors tell you your tumor is cancerous and a threat to your life and it needs to be surgically removed immediately, but it turns out to be benign (and this has happened) they aren't lying if they are mistaken.

    The U.S. CIA Director (a Clinton appointee who owed nothing to President Bush) insisted twice to President Bush's face that "evidence of WMDs in Iraq was a slam dunk".

    If the CIA Director insists that, then why would you doubt them?

    And note, we have people here now bitching and moaning about the current president not listening to the CIA.
     
  15. Dayton3

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    There is ample precedent for U.S. presidents lying and misleading the American press and public about the reasons for the U.S. to go to war.

    President Polk- The Mexican War
    President Lincoln- The Civil War
    President McKinley- The Spanish American War.
    President Wilson- World War One
    President Franklin Roosevelt-World War Two
    President Truman- The Korean War
    President Lyndon Johnson-The Vietnam War.

    In fact in regards to the reasons for major U.S. military operations, lies/misleading statements have been more the rule than the exception.
     
  16. Golem

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    That was Cheney. He is also on tape.

    And that Iraq was buying yellowcake from Nigeria? When the knew it wasn't true? And how about exposing the identity of a covert agent? You seem to believe that was a Clinton appointee.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It was not just that he lied. . Bush lied to get us into a war.that we should never have fought. With no strategy. No consideration to the consequences. And blowing the opportunity we had to really strike a blow on terrorists.
     
  18. Dayton3

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    No. the "slam dunk" comment was from the CIA Director. I'll look it up and link you to it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/18/woodward.book/

    You just got owned.
     
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    Because they didn't want to publicly humiliate him any further by calling him an ignorant twatwaffle with little to no grasp of basic reality on live TV?
     
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    No, because they are both corrupt politicians who haven't had to have a serious public debate in decades...
     
  21. Golem

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    Too many lies to keep track of who said what. Cheney did say that there was "no doubt". And tried to tie 9-11 to Iraq.

    Point is that we were lied into a war. And there was no meaningful investigation about a fake war that killed hundreds of thousands... possibly more than a million people.
     
  22. Dayton3

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    Point is you are simply regurgitating mindless talking points without presenting evidence. I handed you your ass when you tried to claim it wasn't the CIA Director who insisted that evidence in favor of WMDs in Iraq was a "slam dunk". Look at the dialogue involving the CIA Director. It is clear that it was President Bush who was skeptical of the CIA Directors claims.

    Once again I asked (and you haven't answered) "Why should President Bush not believe the CIA Director?"

    And the claim that the Iraq War killed "more than a million people" is pure spin with no basis in fact. Most of the best estimates for the number of Iraqis killed in the war and its aftermath are about 160-170,000.
     
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    Just think when Dirty Donald and no sense Pence get the axe, Madam Speaker Pelosi will be the President!!
     
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    You know that's never going to happen. Even if President Trump were forced out of office or left on his own accord, there is not the remotest chance that Pence would be forced out.
     
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    Pelosi is complicit in everything unconstitutional
    that's been going on in Washington since at least 2002 when she was
    on the House Intelligence Committee overseeing the very inadequate 9/11 Commission report, illegal spying, illegal torture ( both of which are still going on in secrecy )and so on. She is basically the eyes and ears of the CIA on The Hill.
     

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