NASA asteroid WARNING: Three giant space rocks skim planet Earth TODAY

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it is just hyped up tabloid crap (again). The headline is even an outright lie since none of the three asteroids have or will “skim” Earth by any definition of the term, one entirely invented by the editor who spun the headline.

    So this is the tabloid hacks just taking a table of raw data from NASA and spinning a story out of it. There doesn’t seem to be any NASA publication or press-release about these asteroids.

    The only actual quote from anyone at NASA. Hardly bristling with hype and hyperbole is it?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't you believe NASA when they say 3 asteroids are on collision course with us then? So soon after the 2 that were on collision course with us two or three days ago? Will it be 4 by the weekend do you think? Or do you think the tabloid editors are dreaming it all up in the interest of higher circulation figures?
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NASA hasn’t said there are any asteroids on a collision course. They apparently publish a raw datatable of all asteroids identified in the solar system and their predicted paths, primarily for researchers and amateur astronomers I expect. I don’t really care that much but I see no reason to presume they’re just making it all up.

    The tabloid has clearly taken that raw data and spun it up with hyperbole, exaggeration and outright lies to yes, get readers and/or website hits because that’s where most of their advertising income comes from. It’s no different to how they present anything else, including war, crime, politics and “celebrity” relationships. Why would this subject be any different?

    It’s only three asteroids total. The tabloid duplicated their report of the first two when they referenced the third, precisely to trick people in to overreacting like you did. You really do need to extend some of that scepticism you have for everything else to what the tabloid trash are selling you too. You can’t really believe the Express is more trustworthy and reliable than the BBC or NASA can you? :cool:
     
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    Yet more TABLOID bunkum from the OP who BELIEVES everything that the disreputable tabloid tells him while IGNORING credible sources like NASA itself.

    How many times have you posted this kind of drivel only to have it exposed?

    How many MORE times will you post the same kind of drivel?

    The parable of the boy who cried wolf seems appropriate because this kind of tabloid junk does NOT belong in the Science forum.
     
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    If they hit, it will be because of global warming and Trumps fault for pulling out of the Paris agreement too early. Not only that, the aftermath with be just a distraction from the Bret rape allegations.
     
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    cerberus,

    For the good of your blood pressure, don't get your science (or weather or house price for that matter) news from rags like the Express, Mail or Sun.

    Heck even the reputable media outlets often **** it up.

    Much better to rely on primary sources, they're much less given to hyperbole.

    I think cerberus might be Dr Brian Cox just messin' with us for gits 'n' shiggles :D
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look. the undeniable fact is that the original information was/is published by NASA, and that is what I'm highlighting - that NASA puts out nonsensical press releases with monotonous regularity; the fact that the press hypes it up for the gullibles is neither here nor there. For example, are those three notional asteroids headed our way in an assemblage, or are they coming in separately from differing directions? Don't answer that, because it's inconsequential non-news destined to be tomorrow's fish and chips wrapping (as it were - these days fish and chips come in hinged polystyrene containers? lol).
     
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    If you can find the original NASA press release for this one, I'll give you a cookie. It seems to me that someone has been combing through the tables of Near Earth Objects that NASA routinely publishes to create a story.

    If you were to look (and understand) the information that NASA publishes, you'd be able to tell whether they are three independently moving objects that just happen to be intersecting Earth's orbit at around the same time.

    I'm sure these words are familiar to you...
    You can walk my path, you can wear my shoes, learn to talk like me and be an angel too
     
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    If that is your point, why do you never link any of those NASA press releases or indeed anything directly from NASA? If you believe the core problem is NASA and the tabloid spin is a side issue, why not remove the tabloid aspect from it entirely? That would also avoid you repeatedly falsely attributing the tabloid spin to NASA directly – we’d able able to discuss exactly what they’re putting out directly without any "confusion" or "misunderstanding"..

    I guarantee the raw NASA data does give all of that information. Again, you’re highlighting a failing of the media but falsely blaming NASA for it.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This whole 'space' thing is a massive confidence trick to bolster the global astronomy industry, master-minded by NASA, and exploited by the tabloid press, the tabloid BBC, and the above-mentioned fast-growing industry. 'The bigger the lie etc . . . '? As I just posted, I'm done on this thread. If you want to believe it all then that's obviously your prerogative, and same as not believing it is mine.
     
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    LOL You've forgotten which thread you've stated "I'm done on this thread"! You only started this thread yesterday - yet another of the endless threads that you claim bore you and you then run away from. You're mixing up your own threads - what is the point of you being on a science forum other than entertainment for us?
     
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    That doesn't answer my question. If your core issue is with NASA and their "nonsensical press releases", why aren't you referencing those purported press releases directly rather than misdirecting with tabloid misrepresentations?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They might well be misrepresentations, but they're still based upon NASA PR announcements. As usual, you're making a nit-picking mountain out of a molehill.
     
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    But it’s the misrepresentations that you’re specifically objecting to so surely who is responsible for those misrepresentations is vital. If the tabloids are the primary culprits, blaming NASA would be no better than blaming you.

    Also, in this particular example, the story doesn’t appear to be based on any NASA announcements or press releases but just hacks trawling some raw data and spinning up the rhetoric. Again, if your objection is with what (you believe0 NASA is doing, why not present what NASA is actually doing?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It isn't, it's NASA's hyperbolic lying and nonsensical spin. That's yer lot - I don't want to spread my wit and wisdom too thinly? :cool:
     
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    Except that invariably it's the Daily Express' (or Daily Mail's or Sun's) purple prose you object to - with talk of "photobombs" or "asteroids skimming planets". In the case of this story, NASA's hyperbolic lying and nonsensical spin amounts to producing very dry tables of asteroid size and orbit like this one:

    https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/ca/


    Honestly, they're at homeopathic levels already ;)
     
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    Spin is misrepresentation, the key point is that you’re accusing NASA. Now again, can you provide any primary source press release, public statement or other link directly from NASA lying and spinning about these specific asteroids?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FFS shut up!!
     
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    I’ll take that as a “No, I can’t.”. :D
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it shuts you up you can take it as anything you like! :mrgreen:
     
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    Well one way to shut him (and me) up would be to provide a NASA press release full of the spin and hyperbole you are railing against.

    I've provided a link to the page that I think was used to generate the news story and found it devoid of spin and hyperbole:

    Here it is again :

    https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/ca/
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know if you're in the UK but there's a saying here that 'bullshit baffles brains'. Are you sure you haven't succumbed to it?
     
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    Yes I am in the UK - there aren't too many foreign Middlesbrough FC supporters - it's not a term I'm familiar with but it seems to be military in origin which would explain why I haven't come across it.

    Again, are you going to provide one of those NASA press releases that you insist are full of spin and hyperbole ?

    Are you going to point out where the spin and hyperbole is in the page that I have now linked to twice ?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've checked the NASA links but then realised that if I have no confidence in their veracity, there isn't much point in referring to them; also it makes me feel that I'm being drawn into the bullshit too, and in danger of becoming one of the gullible herd. Yeah, it is of a military origin; I heard in when I was in the RAF.
     
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