National Voter Registration Act

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There should be no registration or maintaining registration. It could all be done automatically. We no longer live in the 1800’s

    I have a home in TN and NC, was raised in SC and have worked all over. If you would take three seconds to do a search before you make bad assumptions — difficult I know — there are currently 451 separate instances of me saying y’all (now 452). That you some how turned that word into a personal attack on “southerners” says a tremendous amount about your own level of victimhood. I bet you call liberals snowflakes? (44 search results...)

    The election commission = they
    Early voting is limited in both scope and in days
    Vote by mail is limited to authorized excuses or age
    We obviously did or we wouldn’t have had 4 hour lines...

    You seem to want to exclude legal voters for procedural issues like not having the correct date or not marking something correctly on their envelope. Your team was trying to eliminate people for having stray marks on their ballot or because of slight signature variations (but only in places where they lost).

    That goes against the very principals of a functioning democracy. But y’all don’t want that do you? You want a democracy where you determine the outcome. There is a word for that.
     
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    You just wrote that "the only state that legally can (sic: secede) is Texas". This is 100% false.

    The annexation agreement of 1845 paved the way toward admitting Texas as a state to the Union and also grants Texas the right to split itself into up to 5 smaller states, all within the drawn boundaries of Texas in it's current form, and were Texas to ever decide to do this, one of those states must still bear the name "Texas".

    There is absolutely nothing in either the annexation treaty of 1845 or the application for statehood or the ratified statehood treaty that gives Texas the right to secede from the Union.

    The false statement that Texas can just jump out of the Union whenever it wants is a perfide, vicious lie that has been coursing through unpatriotic, unamerican, seditionistic extreme right-wing circles deep within the stinking racist underbelly of that crappy movement. I am sure you do not wish to intentionally lie and so I think you should be afforded the opportunity to correct that false statement.

    If not, then I challenge you right here and now to prove me wrong and provide the legal document, signed and dated, by page, paragraph and line where it is written and officially agreed to that Texas can secede from the Union whenever it wants to.

    So, time for you to pony up the evidence.

    Good luck with that. You are going to need it.
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    What do you mean "automatically", it pretty much is now what could be more automatically. And there have been attempts to try and figure out how best to improve that and get a national database but the Democrats opposed that commissions and some states refused to cooperate on supply the federal government voter data even when that data didn't identify any voter. I can recall all the times I have changed my voter registration including in three different states. You go fill out a card and show your ID. And back the you had to go to the voter registrars office now you can do it in about every government building it seems.

    It's YOUR responsibilty.

    I looked at your profile and you don't list where you live and if I mistook your grammar as a third party talking to the "Ya'lls" I sincerely apologize :worship:. And I witness on an almost daily basis the disrespect and demeaning of the South and Southerners.

    What state?
    Commissions don't establish dates the state legislature does.
    Well every early voting is limited to how many days and I don't know what you mean by scope. Don't have it in my state and it doesn't seem to be a problem. If they wanted to make say Sat. - Tuesday. I'd be OK with that, it takes a lot of people to have a polling place open and they don't get paid a lot many are volunteers and you can't make it a part time job and it makes securing ballots more difficult. Also we should all be voting under the same set of facts and the more you stretch that out the less that we are.

    If you spoil your ballot you have no constitutional protections. If you date it wrong or mark something incorrectly it is not a legal ballot. It only becomes a legal ballot when it is properly submitted. It is up to you to take the care and concern that your ballot is properly filled out and properly signed and submitted. The government should not be allowed to touch a ballot for the purpose of some alteration or interpretation.

    And the signature variations, where one county, Clark, in Nevada lowered the confidence level to 40 out of 100 meaning a forger could be 60% wrong and it would be accepted? If the acceptance is going to be based on a signature match then we a standard that ensures the integrity of the system.

    Before I respond please explain who is "y'all" ?
     
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    That's what it is for to help clean up, purge for dead people and people who no longer live there or have been convicted of a felony, the voting rolls. There is no election about to happen, even a local one. Federal law requires 90 days and even if you are purged you can correct that at the polling or you will be notified if it was a mail in ballot.
     
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    yes, but republican use it to clean up valid voters to make it harder for them to vote, that is called cheating
     
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    You think only Republicans are capable of cheating?
     
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    IN Canada we register to vote when we produce our tax forms. It's one box to check for federal and provincial elections. You can also register at the election officials offices prior to the election. All that is needed to vote is a proof of adress, like a utility bill or a gov issued id with your adress on it.
     
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    they just seem to be doing the most of it
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    It was done based on change of address cards and not targeted at valid voters but at INvalid voters. It is REQUIRED by law.

    The National Voter Registration Act Of 1993 (NVRA)
    www.justice.gov/crt/national-voter-registration...
    The Act also requires States to conduct a general voter registration list maintenance program that makes a reasonable effort to remove ineligible persons from the voter rolls by reason of the person’s death, or a change in the residence of the registrant outside of the jurisdiction, in accordance with procedures set forth in the NVRA.
     
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    In Germany, where I live but do not vote, since I'm an US-citizen and vote in US elections, Germans all receive a national ID card called "Ausweis", which looks exactly like the plastic card that is at the front of every passport, so your national ID is connected to your passport, if you are a German. That ID is presented when a German votes in elections. It's elegantly simple and useful, too.
     
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    For some reason I had a mental image of a gestapo agent asking someone his paper... I watch too many WW2 documentaries...
     
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    you do not do mass purges of voter registrations weeks before an election, especially since we know how many of those are valid voters
     
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    Tribal communities?

    Sheez, How racist is that remark?
     
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    if they don't have to do a thing, bet they have no issues either
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indian tribes... Tribal lands... That is literally what some of them call themselves.

    WTF are you even talking about?

    Do you even know?

    https://www.nal.usda.gov/ric/tribal-communities

    I would say I am embarrassed for you but that isn’t the furtherest you have been off base. Seems like a trend.
     
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    Both parties have regularly found fault with mail-in ballots. Dems and Republicans have agreed at various times about the weakness and lack of security. It's just a fact. This election was designed to create a level of confusion that would allow numbers to be inflated and for there to be no real ability for an accurate audit. I won't try to get into all of the ways the Left cheated in this election but I will say this, if it happens again in 22 or 24 and is as obvious, this country is going to fall into chaos.
    The Democrats began talking up the idea of mass mail-in voting back in the spring and it quickly became obvious what was coming. The only surprise for me was the total disregard of legislatures AND the Judiciary to demand ANY kind of investigation. Everyone just got in line and drank the kool-aid.
    I don't mean to pick another pointless fight over this. But I genuinely feel that unless both sides back away and find a way to compromise, this little experiment in freedom is done for. The sanctity of the vote has to be inviolable. The Democrats were the only ones pushing a new, untested system only a few months out from one of the tensest elections we've ever had. It was not medically necessary and it was a conscious choice. Most of those states had never had anything other than absentee voting. It was on a much smaller scale AND every ballot had to be requested. No... this was planned and it was abetted by states and courts. There was plenty of time to have a commission investigate the complaints and view the evidence and they REFUSED to even try.
    I have no problem with our electoral system becoming more accessible. No problem with efforts to turn out the vote all over the nation. But unless we can KNOW who's voting and that they have a RIGHT to vote then the election is just an exercise in futility.
    As I've mentioned before, if all voters had to submit a biometric verification with the ballot AND if serious prison time was given for fraud then I wouldn't care how the votes were submitted. TODAY we have none of that and millions of us saw what was going to happen and we watched it happen, then were slapped in the face by media, legislatures, AND the courts.
    A lot of people are really enjoying the aftermath. Hell, many of them think it's funny. From what I've seen since this travesty was forced on us, millions of Americans are nurturing a cold rage over it.
    DC seems to have decided that the whole -"with the consent of the governed" clause can be ignored. They will eventually discover how wrong they are. One political party, one ideology, cannot rule over others who do not accept it. It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase - "elections have consequences"
     
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    I removed all of the unfounded election fraud nonsense because, frankly, I am bored of the constant conspiracy with no logical foundation.

    That said, I fully support a secured election that is made accessible. Paper ballots are the past, electronic voting is the future. We need to begin implementing systems that are secure, free and convenient. Republicans just saying no and then stomping their feet will just let this discussion be handled completely by the Democrats.

    The Democratic Party is actually highly varied in their wants and opinion. If the Republican Party became more centrist and less ‘stop progress by any means necessary’ they will remain a viable party. If not I hope it is dismantled and a new true Conservative party takes its place.
     
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    They don't have to do anymore than me and I've never had a problem.
     
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    Same here but you have to have a photo ID which are widely available. We have no federal elections here all elections are state and local.
     
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    You have data to back that up?
     
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    Then why were they determined to be invalid? And are you talking about GA? Those voter name who were purged were mailed a card and told of the problem and had a chance to rectify before the vote and if the voter showed up would be able to rectify there at the polling place when they went to vote, what's the problem.

    " the Targeted Voters would be mailed notices advising them that they would be allowed only to cast provisional ballots which would be counted only if the voter cured the issue by January 8, 2021 by providing additional evidence of residency."

    Show your id.

    And

    "“and because the challenges did not include the individualized inquiries necessary to sustain challenges made within 90 days of a federal election. Where the issue concerns a voter’s change of address, as in this case, the NVRA prohibits the removal of that voter unless the voter confirms in writing that he or she has moved outside of the county or does not respond to a notice and has not voted in two federal election cycles.” N.C. State Conference of the NAACP, No. 1:16-CV-1274. at *18–19 (quoting 52 U.S.C. § 20507(d)(1))."

    The were sent a notice and only those who did not respond would be put on the list but could be rectified at the polling place.

    How many on the list of 4000 were incorrectly removed did anyone come forward? Has anyone shown they were all in fact legal voters in their voting districts?

    But the judge stayed the removal of the names so it didn't happen.
     
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    Maybe you can explain why Republicans are trying to ban ballot drop boxes, ban organizations from mailing registration institutions, ban automatic registration, ban registration at DMV’s, ban no-excuse absentee ballots (these are the ones with ID verification) — because that is just in one state and there are over 100 similar bills making their way though other states.

    It would look to an outside party like voter suppression.
    Like a party that can not win legitimately is having to stack every card they can pull together just to win marginal victories...
     
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    Your claim is heavily exaggerated. There is nothing wrong with opposing automatic registration considering the issues that can arise from it. Registering takes less effort than getting a driver license and considerably less effort than paying your taxes.
    The removal of ballot boxes only makes since in certain locations where vandalism or issues could arise due to a lack of monitoring of the boxes. Having such boxes at post offices easily accessed through drive through is not an issue. Some boxes should have and were removed. This needs to be reviewed on a case by case basis.
    Having a mail in ballot system is fine, just don't call it an absentee ballot, use the proper legislative body to change the voting laws instead of unilaterally changing them. Also make sure they have sufficient time to be set in place to ensure they are secured and managed appropriately. Test on a smaller scale first, instead of implementing them last minute without any certainty on how it might work or function.
     
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    Everything I listed is literally what is being pushed in Georgia. Right now
     
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    Yes. You do!!!

    ROFL!!
     

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