Nationalism is a Joke

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  1. upside-down cake

    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    Nationalism has to be one of the biggest jokes there is because the victims of the joke aren't in on it yet...

    Nationalism was a tool used by rulers to solidify their hold over the various peoples they conquered. Some people say that liberal policies was the death of Rome- as if the Roman empire was a monolithic society.

    Now you have these weirdo's going around talking about "save our culture and heritage". There is no culture that endures past a decade. Cultures change all the time, constantly. They evolve from a myriad of influences. The American culture is by far one of the most impure cultures in the world.

    But the ironic thing is that these people who cry nationalism are under the belief that it was a departure from culture that landed America where it is instead of saying that it was American culture that landed American culture where it is. It's like saying "Billy stopped acting like Billy and that's why Billy is the way Billy is today. Billy needs to go back to being Billy."

    SLAP!

    Maybe you thought you understood Billy and so his change of behavior seems like a change from the norm and often people have an interpretation of their nation that just isn't accurate. So when things suddenly go wrong they do what is reflexive. They look for changes in their perception of the pattern of history and they bark.

    Could it be that American businesses have always sought the cheapest means to create for the most profit for it's own ends? At once it was politically beneficial to side with the locals, but the worlds a different place now. Economies can shift their base of operations with relative ease if it means long-term profits. The reason slavery existed was because it was cheap labor. All that other racial nonsense was just false philosophical and scientific bluster to validate slavery. The same thing was used against the Irish and Scottish and the East Indians and when we were at war with Germany, they even began to say that Germans were a different race- disgusting in origin and all of that.

    The person who claims to define culture is playing the Piper's Tune so that all the people who believe in it act accordingly. This does NOT mean that there is no danger in the current policies that seem to be diluting culture. That's not the danger you are seeing. The danger is that this is a period of change and the people in charge have a new political and economic reality they are trying to instill in the world.

    For instance, the assault on religion is not about destroying a concept of God. That's a stupid argument to begin with. While we can't say there is no God, we can surely say that the cartoons that represent the worlds major religions are not it's true representations. The danger in the assault on religion is that religion is one of the main ways we experience an understanding and reflection of self that is distinct from the merely physical. We understand the social relationship between one person and another or ourselves and our natural environment. The language of spirituality is poetic, but it is also based on a reality that there is a connection between all things and that there is a particular balance that needs to be respected.

    But they want to stick a microchip up your bum so the current push is to destroy your sense of the sacred. They will get you to believe that nothing is holy- that your just an organic machine and so there's nothing wrong with enhancing a machine with another machine. Go ahead and put microchips in your brain. Look at the awesome resolution you get. Go ahead and replace your arms with cybernetics. Now your competitive in the employment market because Sam with the chip in his brain can do 400 complex algorithms a minute. We don't have time for your naturalist bullcrap, Mike. Time is MONEY.

    I know this post is a little scattered, but hopefully you see how these ridiculous ideas ultimately serve a purpose that's going to bite you in the bum down the line. No one really cares about "the nation". This nation has already been sold into a new economic reality. The push you are seeing on tv is just to get the public to legitimize it so they no longer have to be clandestine. When they mention NATO and the EU and Brexit and all this crap, this is just daytime drama. They already know what they want, they are just giving you a bit of theater. Think about it- Brexit means nothing. The economy is too interconnected for one country to think it can really break off and play by it's own rules.

    For instance, California could secede all it wants. Texas can also. It would just be a symbolic gesture, but in reality they would be as dependent on the United States as ever they were. You can wave your little flag and sing you anthems, but your leaders would still be following general western economic policies or else. It would be as substantially bankrupt as giving Palestine their own nation. It doesn't matter if you call yourself a country if you own or control absolutely NOTHING.

    Nationalism is a joke. China influences us daily. Russia influences us daily. The Saudi's influence us daily. Israel influences us daily. It's better to look at your national collective like a business and to see how much of it's shares are owned and influenced by other companies and to understand the modern economic matrix of the world is not enhanced but hindered by archaic national identity. They no longer need the protection of the national army when their economies and combined economic weight can supercede the authority or impact of any one nation. If anything, nations have been reduced to provincial governments of a global collective not separated by nationality by economic power that's not necessarily built on money, but those vital resources that enable power and ensure sustainability for the rest.
     
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    We have been trending towards world government since Wilson. We'll be there pretty soon. The global concerns raised by technology are too big for any one nation to handle.
     
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    We will still need nations and borders. A one size fits all NWO won't work.
     
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    There will never be one world government. People around the world are not identical. They have differerent cultures, values, and expectations. Some are better than others.

    You can't fit all of that under one government.

    The trend is actually in the other direction, toward more fragmentation. The world is becoming more Balkanized.
     
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    As is our country...
     
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    Nationalism creates real diversity across the globe. Globalism is worldwide facism.
     
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    One world government is a joke.
     
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    Nationalism isn't a joke but it is simply outdated. Today's nationalism may look as a joke, but yesterday it was necessary. In this sense, nations are also an outdated concept as all blood-and-soil-ideologies are.

    Mankind grows up ...
     
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    What's the meaning of "better"?

    Shouldn't they all live under a government that enforces these better values?
     
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    Then consolidates ultimate power over all people on earth into the hands of one governing body. What could possibly go wrong?!?

    Bad ****ing idea.
     
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    Nice post. But I disagree on several points. I agree about nationalism in principle. The core concept is patriotism, which is defined as loyalty to the Constitution. It is about a dedication to principles. That is what soldiers and politicians are sworn to protect. But leadership does matter. There are core values at stake. There are core freedoms at stake. When it comes to the West Coast seceding, it is driven by a huge void between the kind of country America has always been, and what trump represents.

    Trump is all about authoritarianism, deception, personal gain, perception, and ego. Those are not the measure of a leader by any stretch. He acts impulsively and out of ignorance. He seeks to create division and create enemies. He is the birth pang of totalitarianism. THAT matters. And it needs to be stopped. Trump has proven that the presidency is too powerful. The checks and balances have failed. The US is now a threat to the world. This cannot be allowed. The fate of the world can never be allowed to fall into the hands of someone like trump, even again. Not in my country. If that means breaking up the US, so be it. Half of the red states want to secede anyway. The civil war never really ended.

    As for spirituality, you in fact made the distinction between that and religion. Religions have become political organizations that first and foremost should lose their tax exempt status. I was raised with religion and was a religious person at various times in my life. And I resent the brainwashing. It took me over 40 years to undo the damage. From the age of 6, we had the bible drilled into our heads every day. We were never given a chance to make a logical choice or an informed decision. We were brainwashed almost from the time we could think.

    People don't have a problem with spirituality so much as organized religions that seek to impose their will on everyone else.
     
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    Everything could go wrong, like in a world with several nations. In the initial phase, there could be war between separatists ...

    But look at the USA. Civil war is over. Americans see themselves as citizens of one big nation, regardless of ancestry. They're all proud of it. Why shouldn't this concept apply to the entire world?
     
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    No, Americans do not see themselves as one people. We're fractured and polarized.

    The only people who want a world government are power hungry deluded narcissists who think THEY know what's best for everyone, or elitists with bad intentions. It's a garuanteed recipe for disaster.
     
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    Some people and cultures are better than others. Is that too complex for you?
     
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    Not anymore. How can any respectable person be proud of what trump is doing or has done? How can any respectable person be proud of a president like trump? He is the very definition of the enemy within.
     
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    TLDR......alot of words to just explain how something is a joke.
     
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    They're polarized from an inside point of view. But outwardly they're strong patriots. If somebody attacks their nation, they're all Americans willing to fight for their country, freedom & democracy
     
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    Donald is like a cold. He will once pass away. Donald can't influence the dignity and pride of a country.
     
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    The same thing is true of Americans.
     
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    Obviously, I mean come on, You believe Trump is a business success don't you? I also am sure you see him as a "stable genius"? Nevermind that scientifically speaking, a human can not be at full faculties, nor "sane" on four hours sleep a night, something orange daddy brags about.:roll:

    I mean truth is, a bunch of right wing extremists are running things, and I'm sure it delights you, but that has little or nothing at all to do with Trump, he's barely aware of his surroundings many times. He's at best a rapidly failing pitch man with no platform and he never did have one.

    I mean it's obviuos, support of Trump requires one to skip learning the facts and details, that would ruin things surely! Can't have that! Might end up with another non male non white dictator, lose your guns AGAIN, and get thrown back in the FEMA camp, right?

    Seems to me like a lotta fail trolling the OP, as per usual.
     
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    Here we go again, another GD TDS thread ranting about Nationalism (which most people don't even know what it means) and comparing the U.S. has having culture the same as every other country in an effort to try to slam Trump.

    Can we airdrop those who agree into Libya, Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan?
     
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    That's what I mean. The nations will remain in name, but in reality they will only be provinces under a global government.
     
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    That's because your looking at it in terms of borders. Borders don't matter.

    For instance...the US hosts many different peoples from many different cultures with many different views. All of them still fall under the same political umbrella. There is disagreement among them, sure. Always will be. But they still accept that they are American citizens who function under American law. Same with Russia and China and every other nation, but more so Russia and China because they are massive lands that are comprised of many different peoples.
     
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    You still don't get it. Nationalism was the first steps to globalism. Russia is a nation...comprised of many smaller former nations. Those people who made up those nations were once distinct nations themselves, but they've been taught and raised to identify with Russia as their nation. The same with any other country. Britain was once many smaller groups of different peoples with different cultures even before the invasions of the Vikings and all that. Britain/England is a perfect example.

    What's the major religion in Britain? Christianity. A Semetic religion. What are the most common names in Britain. Semetic names from the bible. Most western Americans swear that Muslims are trying to destroy their culture, but their culture isn't their culture. It's been adulterated by Christianity...by Romans...by Saxons...etc. Is Britain or England even the name of the land the people chose for themselves or one given to them by their conquerors? How many wars have been fought over these things- a false sense of a pure, native culture?

    With globalism, they will once again shift your basis of identity to the world instead of just people you think you "belong to".
     
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    Pinnacle of course, is RIGHT WING CULTURE, which you want to FORCE, by hook or by crook on the rest of us.
     

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