'Nationalists' who want to build the wall but amnesty illegals : I can't take them seriously.

There is a pretty concerning stream of self-called "conservatives" or even "nationalists" who support partial or even complete amnesty for illegals as an exchange for building the wall.

People who say this kind of thing are either in a deep state of delusion that this is a viable solution against illegal immigration, or straight up globalist shills. So I'm making this thread to debunk this ridiculous, weak belief.

The main tenant of wall worship is the belief that the wall, once built, will completely stop illegal immigration, so it's not a problem if we amnesty people who are already here since they're the last. This is however, demonstrably false.

- The majoirty of illegal immigrants are people who overstay their visa, not border crossers. So the wall does absolutely nothing against these guys.

- You can get in illegally through boats, trains, planes etc. The wall can't stop that either.

- Climb over the wall with a ladder, get down with a rope. Lol.

So since it does nothing about more than 50% of illegal entries, and has limited effectiveness againt the rest, a gross estimate would be that the wall cuts down illegal immigration by 20-30%. And I'm optimistic.

So wall worship = debunked. The wall still does something, since border crossing *is* a problem, but anybody who believes the wall will stop illegal immigration is straight up in denial.

So with that said, what these guys want to do is a nth amnesty for illegals, or their children, which comes down to the exact same thing since they immigrate illegally for their children anyways. They *reward* illegals for their illegal behavior by giving a future to their children. And once the few that get deported go back to South America, they'll tell their friends how good of a deal they get if they come to the US : if they don't get caught, perfect, if they do get caught, their children can stay. How many more will come?

So these weak 'nationalists' in name only, have a plan which will cut illegal immigration by 20%-something, while amnestying up to 11 MILLION illegals, which will send such a massive demand on the illegal immigration market that the illegal immigration pressure will massively increase in the future.

I actually think illegal immigration will INCREASE if these cuckservatives get their way. Seriously, how do you think people in South America will react once they hear the news, even of a 'moderate' amnesty of a few million?

And again, what makes them think that the people in 10 years won't be doing the exact same thing they just did, yet another amnesty? What did they solve? When will this end?

I think there's a reason why the globalists are so happy with their "you get the wall we get DACA" compromise. It plays right into their agenda.

Law enforcement is about being dissuasive. You don't dissuade would-be illegals if you give special treatment for their children since that's why they come in the first place. You encourage them and create a demand of the market for others.

These is no other solution : right-wing deportation squads for everybody.

 

Amnesty for building the wall -- sounds like a good compromise to me !!

 

America's special forces couldn't get past the wall yet you think some immigrants will?

And if you think we are going to see 10,000 mexicans swimming in the ocean right next to the border and not go and question them, you are mistaken.

 

Then America's special forces are worse than uneducated footsoldiers in the Middle Ages.

 

Well to be fair, they didn't try to breach it with no care for how many people they lost.

They tried not to get anyone killed.

I'm sure if they settled for an 80% casualty rate they could have gotten through it.

 

Okay, so if you're behind a wall, the government can't get to you. When I'm rich, I'm gonna buy a castle and stop paying taxes.

 

Swimming?? LOL. What is this? The dark ages?

 

Well you guys seem to think that people can just cross our border by simply hopping in the ocean and swimming around it.

We would never think to look for illegal activity in the water, would we?

Everyone knows that's a 100% sure way to bring drugs across.

 

Who said anything about a government getting to you?

 

Who exactly are you referring to? I don't think there is a large constituency of pro wall/ pro amnesty people.

 

If you cut off incentive, they will stop coming. That will never happen because both parties benefit from them.
We dont need a stinkin wall. We need to quit giving them free ****!
So, therein lies the question. What DO you do?

 

You almost got it. They don't come here for "free stuff". They come here for JOBS

Actually enforce the laws against hiring illegals and you pretty much solve the problem.

But the problem is that businesses who are DONORS...don't WANT to solve anything. They want cheap labor

 

Oh please. Thats why they are always out there protesting for free stuff. Like "amnesty"