NATO "seriously worried" about Russia's intermediate-range missiles!

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Why would a nuclear blast be at the surface? If you're attacking cities or other soft targets you use airbursts.
     
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    Neither Hiroshima nor Nagasaki were surface blasts. Air bursts maximize blast damage to soft targets like cities. But it minimizes radioactive fallout as the air burst doesn't pick up and irradiate as much soil and other material as a surface or subsurface blast.

    Still don't know why the personal insults.
     
  3. Giftedone

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    You are the one that started with the personal insults ... and then had your claims turn out to be totally without merit. Don't blame me for calling a spade a spade - when after being proven wrong you try to run and hide from the fact.

    You have no idea what the difference is between a surface blast an an air blast quantitatively with respect to radiation contamination so quit pretending otherwise.

    You also have no idea what the Russians will do in an all out nuclear war. Just because we chose the airburst route - does not mean the Russians will do the same. It is just as likely that they will use a mixture of the two - maximizing structural damage in some cases and human casualties in others. That is what to do if you want to punish the enemy to the max. Do you think that Russia will not want to punish its enemy to the max ? The fact of the matter is that you have no idea what Russia will or will not do so quit pretending otherwise.

    In either scenario - the US is annihilated.

    Your statement "virtually useless claim" turned out to be completely false. Your claim that the damage would not be that bad is completely false. The US as we know it would cease to exist. The power grid completely destroyed, infrastructure mostly destroyed, massive land areas contaminated ... some areas for 10 years or more- so bad that you can not even go in there never mind grow anything. All the water is contaminated.. stuff dying everywhere - including humans. No communication - no help is coming. No food or safe drinking water.

    Are you completely incapable of thinking this issue through logically ? What are you going to drink .. how will you survive without power if you are living in a northern area during the winter. What are you going to do when - in a state of complete anarchy starving people with guns come to your house to steal your stuff - assuming you have anything left - and no help is coming.

    How many people have bomb shelters stocked full of food ... and don't think that will necessarily keep a person safe either as there are millions of people without food and water - if they find a shelter they are going to try to break in. You can't drive anywhere. If the electronics in your vehicle are not fried (and likely they are) there is no gas. If you happen to live on a farm and have your own gas ..and someone has not stolen it or killed you and taken over your farm - the roads are shredded and there are huge holes .. like valley size.

    And there is no one coming to save you as in most areas it is not safe to go outside for a week or more .. and after that well .. there is nothing left to come out to. The grocery store is not open .. and it is looted out anyway.

    How do you plan to survive ?
     
  4. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    If you are sitting in a glassy greenhouse, don't throw stones to the outside...

    We have about the same number of Leopard 2 tanks as you have Challenger 2 and about the Typhoon it is the same ... the same at both in being really operational in moment!

    So please look first in to the mirror before blaming others for things, you have your own same way bad!
     
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    Agreed ...
    I am aware of this American hypocrisy to halo itself and to give the horns of the devil to all others who do not submit to them.

    However ... where is the difference in the end, if the US is able to destroy Russia 7 times, but the Russians can destroy the USA only 4 times? I do not see any relevant difference between dead and dead!
     
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    I would rather put it this way and explain ...

    After World War II, the United States was something like the parents and the ruined Western Europe was its children and then throughout the cold this relationship was as it was between parents and children, where everyone knows the Eltenr is in charge.
    Meanwhile, the children are grown up and have their own lives and their own interests and they are no longer obliged to submit to the will of the parents.
     
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  7. JakeStarkey

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    Mandelus, the Russians have enough weapons to destroy America but will never be able to deliver them.
     
  8. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And how do you figure that ?
     
  9. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    because, Giftedone, I know what the American strategic atomic forces will do.

    So do the Russians, thus they will push but not provoke.
     
  10. Eadora

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    Good LUCK with that Snarkey [​IMG]

    1st time in history - 4 at once - from underwater
    each with
    6 reentry vehicles & 10 to 40 decoys




    BTW - Who's pushing ? - Who's provoking ?

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. JakeStarkey

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    stay inside your borders, Ruskies, and you will have nothing to worry about.
     
  12. Eadora

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    Jeezus Sparkey ! [​IMG]
    Seems that it is just us ALIENS & a few enlightened Human Beings that are the only
    ones worried about these infantile Insanities that you two legged Ovines seem to enjoy
    ..............................................................................................................indulging in

    All the while - the Amerikink & Russkie psychopathic Atavistic brutes - that you allow
    ...to lead you and to pull your strings, & enlist you into their respective cheering sections,
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,...have you all busy measuring and comparing the size and hardness of your
    ...........................Nuclear Genitalia - hoping to get a chance to stick it to the other guy

    How repulsively puerile ! - how degenerate ! - the gutter puddle depth of the awareness
    and Spirituality of vast majority Humanity that is demonstrated here on these forums
    ......................Eventual - Collective Suicide is all but inevitable
    Do you think you ridiculous adolescent monkeys can continue to play with these sorts of matches without getting burned ?


    Have you any idea how close you have come a number of times in the past to destroying yourselves?
    And here you bloviate and brag as your Insane leaders trim & shorten the wick of your doom
    all that they may increase the short term profit$ of their Military Industrial Complex

    Consequences of Nuclear War
    .https://www.google.ca/search?q=cons....69i59j0l5.14108j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Nuclear War - Close Calls
    https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C...9...0i67k1j0i131i67k1j0i22i30k1.0.P89uBXE4si8
     
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  13. JakeStarkey

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    Ruskies, stay within your borders, and you will be fine.
     
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  14. Mandelus

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    And what makes you sure about this to be true? The common BS blabbering in the USA about Russian weapons = crap and US weapons unbeatbale?

    If yes, please wake up and don't dream this BS further ... the russian ICBM are as good as yours and their submarines can fire also missiles like the US submarines ... The Russians have no crappy military!
     
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    The common Russian blabbering equals crap. The American defense shield and first-strike capabilities protects America and unveils Russia's weaknesses.
     
  16. Mandelus

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    Underestimating the potential opponent ... which goes along with overestimating oneself ... is the best way to get a beating first that you did not expect!
    And if you look at the history of the United States, it happened to you often enough ... starting on December 7, 1941 ... if not before!

    Just take the conventional example of ground-based air defense! In Iraq in 1991 (and also in 2003) everything had been from the former USSR and not a real opponent for the US.
    Conclusion in the US: The Russian stuff is all crap and we are totally superior to all things!
    A few years later, over the small, former Yugoslavia during the Kosovo War, the same systems came into play and suddenly became an extremely great threat ... which, among other things, shot down an F-117 and also 2 F-16 and 2 F-15s among others damaged NATO and US jets!
    Or take the Mig-29, which was only an exercise target for the USA and the AIM-120 in Iraq ... the same Mig-29 with Yugoslavian emblems kicked the US jets in the butt and put them in great trouble!

    And this is just one example of American arrogance ... that flares up here again!
     
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    No one is under-evaluating Russia's military, comrade.

    You are vastly overrating it.
     
  18. Mandelus

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    Ehm ... no, I don't.
    I know what your system can and what the Russian system can so far if the issues are not totally classified and secret ... Especially with tanks and Air Defense and also very good with planes!
     
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    Compare number of mission flights vs number of planes shot down.
     
  20. Mandelus

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    Counter-proposal:
    Do not judge your weapons and abilities against second-rate enemies that have been inferior from the start on ... or did Iraq had any realistic chance for Serbia to win?

    Even if both use Russian / soviet weapon systems ... they are not Russia ... and Russia not only has a lot more of the systems, they also have better successor systems and the Russian soldiers are ... unlike some idiotic US claims... First class trained!
     
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    Why are you flip flopping? You started comparing first and now you say we shouldn’t?
     
  22. Mandelus

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    Ehm ... what?

    I have shown you how rediculous these claims of the USA were by examples of Iraq and Serbia! This was no comparison!

    But you are comparing your strength with far weaker counterparts and then come to the rediculous conclusion that Russia is no match, eh?
     

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