I agree there's a lot of bs in the ufo community. But I also feel there's a lot of bs in the human community overall, regardless of the particular topic or interest that brings them together. But the bs doesn't negate the reality of any ufo presence. It just complicates our understanding of it.
Some believe that but many of the supposed abductees claim they create hybrids that can mind control ud and will use that to conquer us when they have the numbers. Then some claim there ate good races and bad races. I have no beliefs because lack of veriable data. Advanced craft are verified and my beliefs end there.
Difference is fighter pilots that are trained observers see them but but more importantly our advanced combat tools pick them up as well as highly trained military. This is the hard evidence that should convince rational, logical people. This says nothing about the intelligent beings behind the craft. All that it says is that these craft are beyond our technology in a huge way. Yet some will still deny their existence. But this is a psychological problem for whatever reason.
Sure. What I know is based upon evidence. The evidence says these very advanced craft exist thanks to our military . Where the woo comes in involve the tales told by people who claim they know what the intelligence behind this high tech want and why they have craft in our air space. Some people spin tales that are just tales. Humanity is well known to lie probably more than telling the truth. Hell just look at the liars in politics and their tribe members!
That would mean the intelligence behind these verified craft are humans. Even the community of physicists would not believe that given the understanding of current physics. If this is not human tech, it id proof we are not alone. And according to a paper by Brooking this would create problems for particular religious sects. The RCC have already covered their arses on this issue. The inflexible have not. Except to believe they are angels or demons.
If you dont know what they fly you can get that info from Faber , hid co-pilot and the other pilot and mate who filmed the tic tac and had. Eyes on it as well as their gods eye radar on the group of these craft. They singled out the closest craft and tried tl get their targeting radar on it, the radar used to target it for attack but it electronically jammed targeting radar so they could not target it. These craft went from 80,000 feet to 50 feet off the ocean in 7 seconds!
I think it was Roger Penrose or Stephen Hawking who calculated the probability of life spontaneously emerging from inorganic chemicals at being 1 in 10^54. It was a freak occurrence that cannot happen again. (even considering the perhaps billions of habitable exoplanets). We are alone. (Which is a disturbing thought)
Yep, gods and demi-gods have been here since ancient times. Delong said intel and high ranking military told him to read the ancient greek mythology! His accounts of meeting with govt officials is weird and probably true. Whether they were truthful is another question given what they told him. Are these beings gods, demi-gods, ETs, beings from other dimensions, or an ancient race of earthings who are highly advanced? Or something else? Like we live in a virtual reality and the beings running this VR are jokers and having fun messing with their creation? Ha haj Looks like given we have verified high tech craft that is bbeyond our tech, their opinion is wrong. And life does not arise by pure chance . As they believe. They just don't understand it as well as they think they do. Would not be the first timr! My money says whatever intelligence made these craft are much more intelligent than hawking and penrose!en Ha ha. In comparison hawking and p penrose are chimps. Pay no attention to our chimps.
I respect your point of view, but keep in mind those craft that the Navy verified, came from somewhere, & are controlled by someone. There is evidence they've been around for hundreds or thousands of years. If they wanted to conquer us, they could have done so centuries ago. Why would they wait until we became technologically advanced enough to resist them? I think their long-term presence, coupled with no concrete examples of aggression from them toward us, is sufficient to convince me of their good intentions.
I relate to your post & your overall revulsion, but just wanted to remind you that there's just as much positive energy involved with humanity as negative--and perhaps MORE. Too many of us judge humanity by its worst aspects & fail to recognize the positives. If we are to attain an accurate understanding or evaluation of humanity around us, we must be open to both sides of human nature, & recognize both are always present. It is also worth considering that the positives actually outnumber the negatives, even when the negatives dominate our news medias.
Thing is, imo if we could subtract the bad acts, the evil acts from the good acts, the horrors of the bad acts would make us forget the good acts. And that happens. For many times the evil acts affect and have affected over time billions of people. Killing billions in just war alone. But of course people do good things. Yet the horror and destruction of our bad side imo trumps our good side We even had to create morality and ethics because of our evil side. Our base side turns politics into something where both sides will lie their arses off in an attempt for one side to beat the other . And many will do it willingly for the end justifies the means. Immorality has probably always trumped morality and ethics. In most all spheres of human existence. How many of us live by the golden rule? How many nations employ that in interactions with other nationd? None. Carlin was right when .hr said that people are more apt to be good to one another when it is one on one, face to face. But when you get a crowd they start wearing arm bands . I delight in the good side of our nature . But the bad side has historically created such horrors in such large numbers. We see how the base side of our nature has destroyed even our political system. Because of the never ending lies. We have come to expect our politicians to lie in sustaining personal power as well as sustaining the party. But in our current time even the voters and media will lie like hell. And they know they are lying but don't give a crap .
I would not agree that we have solid years evidence they have been here for hundreds of thousands of years . Some in the ufo community claim they have been here for 250 million years! But agreed that intelligence is behind what Faber and other pilots have seen and combat instruments have seen and recorded. I doubt even our govt knows the origin of this intelligence . But there is diverse conjecture in the ufo community and it is also filled with loons who fight one another with each claiming to know the truth. For me, the real evidence comes from military people like Faber. Yet who or what this intelligence is or their origin lacks the evidence to determine those answers. The less complicated guess involves ETs. From our universe. Other claims sends one deeper down the rabbit hole. But no harm in conjecture. Imo our govt and military have known these craft are real but lied to the public for decades. So why are they just now admitting it? That is the question .
Your post is powerful & conveys unquestionable truths in the nature of Mankind. It is easy, especially in our American culture, to feel the negatives of humankind far exceed the positives. It's hard to convince oneself, or certainly others, that such a conclusion is unwarranted. But, overall, I still believe the positives of humankind outweigh the negatives, but in our culture the focus is always on the negatives, & we develop a subconscious propensity toward recognition of negatives in everything. You or I, if we cared to take the time & make the effort, could compose a list of significant human positives that would match the list of negatives you offer above. They are there, & they are just as real, & possibly even more powerful. But our culture doesn't train us to see them or recognize them, or give them recognition in our daily lives. Therefore, they seem weak or absent. While I agree with every example you offer, & respect the time & effort you put into composing it, I won't allow myself to ignore those powerful positive forces, always present, that counter the negatives, & give us all opportunities to live & experience the joys that make up our individual lives.
I enjoyed & agree with your post. I'm not able to respond in depth at this moment, but will try to remember to get back to it, possibly tomorrow.
Fair enough and I appreciate and respect your thoughts and input . I have this idea that our consciousness is evolving for all things evolve and it will evolve away from the destructive aspect of human nature . Can you imagine what our current state of consciousness would do with this high tech seen on these craft? Militarily?
That seems highly unlikely given how large the universe is and how long it has been around. For all we know, there are intelligent beings who've been around for millions or even billions of years. Just imagine what they might have discovered during that time. And then try to imagine those beings coming across us pathetic humans who are still in the infancy of their cosmic development. Most likely, such beings would regard us as hopelessly primitive, assuming they even regarded us at all.
Beings who have the ability to travel between stars and galaxies would have no use for our petty trinkets, our primitive cultures, or even our natural resources.
Do you have a citation for that? The fact that it happened at least once means that it could happen again. We're actually not alone. There are millions of other species who inhabit the earth with us. Our own planet is proof that life is actually quite robust and resilient.
I like, & agree with, your suggestion that humanity can evolve away from the destructive aspect of its own nature. That's what I want, & hope for. I had hoped it would happen within my own lifetime, & had times when I felt it was actually happening. But then we'd end up in some stupid, senseless war, or terrorists would claim the world stage, or we'd elect a troglodyte in the Oval Office, & my hopes would fade again. Right now, I'm both hopeful & in a slump. I know humanity has the potential, but I keep looking for it to gain the will. Regarding your very last sentence in your post, I don't want space militarized. I don't mind spy satellites, or communication satellites that can be used to assist military goals, but I don't want armaments of any kind in space. I want an international agreement that protects space from the baser qualities of humankind, like we have in Antarctica now. Space should be for everyone--all humans--NOT for just those nations rich enough & advanced enough to keep all others out.
Your post brings up a good point. What is it that another stellar community would be interested in enough to make contact with us? What do humans have that is of such value they'd travel across interstellar distances to connect with? I agree with your post, but it makes me recognize that whatever is valuable in this scenario, isn't what humans are normally used to regarding as their most valued assets. But whatever it is, I'm convinced it's not something that they can attain by conflict. It's something they value that they can have only thru the practice of mutual respect. I have solid evidence upon which to base these assumptions.
Yes, the fact that they don't wage war and are not extracting resources is noteworthy . And they flee when we try to approach them. From a human perspective they seem to be observers, watchers. But they could change behavior when the time was right and this could turn into a horror show. Humanity enslaved. Removed form earth and sold across the galaxy That is what humans would do. As voiced by the devil's advocate.
