Navy Cruiser Seizes Huge Iranian Arms Cache in Arabian Sea

So is modern conservatism. You need to do more than twirl around shouting insults.

 

1. That is a nothing statement, provide proof that the Saudi government was behind 9/11 or quit the field
2. So the Saudi government has not exterminated the extremist elements within its' society? Which in the world has?
3. Southern Baptists are not extremists, the KKK are so your analogy is a false one.
4. Not at all, I'm not blind to the KSA's faults, they're just infinitely preferable to Iran.
5. So what they still kidnapped them? They were the only people they didn't kill, probably because they were afraid of US retaliation and wanted the Shah back/his wealth returned;

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90%
I'll leave you to defend them.

 

The problem is there are a lot of innocent people in Iran who have not earned utter destruction.

 

What you might not get is the current hostility with Iran is long term "blowback" from Operation Ajax, a covert US operation that overthrew a democratically elected Iranian government and replaced this government with a repressive tyrant that killed and tortured many Iranians. Also, they seized our embassy because we seized their financial assets and launched a form of economic warfare against them after they overthrew the repressive tyrant we installed, the Shaw of Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets

 

If what you say is true, i.e., we deposed a democratic government for the interests of oil companies, two time Medal of Honor winner Smedley Butlet was right when he said war is a racket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

 

Calling it a "democratic" government is a substantial exaggeration. Mossegh had authoritarian tendencies of his own

 

Was he or was he not elected in a democratic election? If you claim the later please provide evidence to support your claim.

Per Wikipedia his crime was:
Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP) and to limit the company's control over Iranian oil reserves.

Recommended reading.
https://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes...=1582159685&sprefix=weiner+cia,aps,145&sr=8-1

 

Dear gawd...now we're defending overthrowing another country's leader?!? Not on account of blood spilled but to save UKs investments!

Gak! What tools we are!!

 

The assassination of General Soleimani will have huge ripples, more of it becoming clear as Iran elects a new parliament and once a new administration comes to power in Iran after the final year of Rouhani's lame duck term is concluded. Until then, Iran's hands are tied somewhat, with its actions being more tactical than strategic. (A clear cut strategy requires consensus that is lacking between the revolutionary guards on the one hand, and the Rouhani government on the other hand).
https://www.military.com/daily-news...t-got-its-hands-new-kind-iranian-missile.html
The US Navy Just Got Its Hands on a New Kind of Iranian Missile

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/us/iran-missiles-yemen.html
New Iranian Missiles Pose Threat to U.S. Aircraft in Yemen, Pentagon Says

See also
https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/is-iran-behind-recent-airplane-shootings-in-afghanistan/30443739.html
Is Iran Behind Recent Airplane Shootings In Afghanistan?

 

Please explain why doesn't France have a "death to Germany" day, why don't Poland and Ukraine have a "death to Russia" day, why doesn't Bosnia have a "death to Serbia" day, why don't Kurds have a "death to Turkey" day, why don't China and Korea have a "death to Japan" day, why don't Egypt and India have a "death to UK" day, why doesn't Libya have a "death to Italy" day, why doesn't Congo have a "death to Belgium" day.

When you're done explaining the above, please explain why doesn't Iran have a "death to Iraq" day.

 

Iran doesn't have a 'death to America' day. That is ridiculous and just rubbish.

Below is the full list of Iranian public holiday.
https://publicholidays.me/iran/2020-dates/

29 Jan Wed Martyrdom of Hazrat Fatemah
11 Feb Tue Anniversary of the Islamic Revolution
8 Mar Sun Birthday of Imam Ali
19 Mar Thu Oil Nationalization Day
20 Mar to 22 Mar Fri to Sun Novruz Holiday
22 Mar Sun Mabaath
31 Mar Tue Islamic Republic Day
2 Apr Thu Sizdah Bedar
9 Apr Thu Birthday of Imam Mahdi
14 May Thu Martyrdom of Imam Ali
24 May Sun Eid al-Fitr
25 May Mon Eid al-Fitr Holiday
3 Jun Wed Demise of Imam Khomeini
5 Jun Fri Khordad National Uprising (1963)
17 Jun Wed Martyrdom of Imam Sadeq
31 Jul Fri Eid al-Adha
8 Aug Sat Eid al-Ghadir
28 Aug Fri Tassoua
29 Aug Sat Ashura
8 Oct Thu Arbaeen
16 Oct Fri Death of Prophet Muhammad
16 Oct Fri Martyrdom of Imam Hasan
17 Oct Sat Martyrdom of Imam Reza
25 Oct Sun Martyrdom of Imam Hassan Asgari
29 Oct Thu Prophet Muhammad's Birthday
3 Nov Tue Birthday of Imam Sadeq

 

So you yield?

 

If the debate here is about which government in the Middle East supports and sponsors grass routes efforts and movements to defeat US/Israeli hegemony in the region, the answer is Iran. Clearly and without a doubt.

If the debate here is about which government has had the greatest role in the Jihadist ideology associated with groups such as ISIS, Al Queda and the like, the answer is Saudi Arabia. While the political leadership of these jihadist groups has fallen outside the control of the House of Saud, the movements they spun from came directly from them.

If the debate here is about which government ignores internationally accepted conventions and legal norms the most in pursuit of its geopolitical agendas, the answer is Israel. Followed closely by the United States.

If the debate here is which government has had the greatest hand in sponsoring acts of terrorism against civilian populations, targeting them when necessary to achieve its objectives and counting them as 'collateral damage' otherwise, the answer is the United States. Followed by Israel and now Saudi Arabia.

If the debate here is which government is chosen with the least participation and democratic input of its people, in the region that title would be contested between several states (Iran certainly NOT one of them), with Saudi Arabia in top contention for this distinction.

If the debate here is which government in the Middle East has had the greatest hand in promoting religious bigotry, the answer would be Saudi Arabia and, in a different way, Israel (the latter, not so much in its domestic practices but playing a huge role in fueling Islamophobia globally as it sees Islamic nations as ultimately unsympathetic to its agendas and designs).

 

The rest are lobbies

 

Yes they do.

 

Oh yes indeed, you have the floor...defend salafists, make it your life's work.

 

I agree with most of what is in your post, but must note this:

with all due respect, there is no entity on the face of the planet which globally fuels islamophobia more so than Islam itself.

 

I will settle on what we both agree and deal with the issue we disagree on at some other time

 

So you want to kill millions of innocent people... women, children, the old, the sick, etc.

That's called genocide.

"Our embassy" was in Iran propping up a brutal dictatorship that the CIA helped install after a coup in the 1950's.

Naturally, you have to leave that part out of the story, since it makes the US, and not Iran, look like the aggressor.

Are you sure you're not describing Trump's best friends, the Saudis? Because they've been behind far more "terrorism" than Iran has.

No, that would be the US, with its repeated invasions, occupations, bombings, and covert operations.

 

“Who blew up the World Trade Center? It wasn’t the Iraqis, it was Saudi — take a look at Saudi Arabia, open the documents.”
--Donald Trump

"It wasn’t the Iraqis that knocked down the World Trade Center … because they have papers in there that are very secret, you may find it’s the Saudis, OK?"
--Donald Trump

 

Doesn't matter what our embassy in Iran was doing. Attacking an embassy is still an act of war.

Besides the Shah of Iran was long gone before the U.S. embassy was seized.

 

Of course it matters.

It was a defensive act made against a foreign occupier.

Irrelevant.

 

Were the weapons purchased with obama bucks?