Nazi Germany had a socialist economy

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  1. Anonymous.Professor

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    Well after the civil war KMT established on Taiwan capitalist economy. I would agree some groups in KMT were more inclined toward socialism, for example we can see this in the policy of KMT against both marxists and capitalists in Shanghai. But i think it is probably more complicated and likely they were mostly against feudalism and serfdom. In Taiwan after civil war they organized land reform to bring capitalism in the village. Serfdom is anti-capitalism since serfs are not free to choose their job or start private business. Professor Hayek compared as we saw socialism to serfdom in fact. However democracy started only after generalissimo Chiang already death in Taiwan.

    More about KMT policy in Taiwan after civil war:



    This article explains why old leftist views of KMT are also wrong.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/653087
     
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    Capitalism and Pre-Marxist Socialism are not exclusive.

    Like so many, you are confusing Socialism and Marxism.
     
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    True Socialists hate big corporations and see them as the enemy. The Nazis helped many corporations get very rich, using slave labor.

    Socialist my ass.
     
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    You also are confusing Socialism with Marxism. They are not the same thing.
     
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    @Mushroom i also wrote that i am still gathering informations about KMT which is an interesting case indeed. When in Shanghai they excluded local capitalists from their government, put high taxes on them and quickly imprisoned them also if they did not give large amounts of money to KMT this is a form of socialism. However also during war economy is by nature inclined toward stronger state intervetions.

    Now the question why would you consider Taiwan economy as being under state control ( like ) for the benefit of society which is the definition of socialism? Not regulated but under state control for this supposed purpose.
     
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    Ronstar this is a leftist prejudice yet i believe you are not aware of it. Also Robespierre put economy under state control and claimed it is causing benefits for the society. Merchants were for example higly prosecuted and were forbidden to sell goods with profit. This was a form of pre-marxist socialism. Yet some capitalists the owners of military industry were able to make big profits under his government.
     
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    Why would I consider a nations with strong state control over the economy and businesses Socialist?

    Well, maybe a big reason is because of the founder? You know, Sun Yet-Sen? Who also commonly communicated with the Second International in Paris? Who asked them to send representatives to China to help him establish a Socialist Republic? Who's key proposal for the KMT was as follows:

    The man was a devout Socialist, but also did not care much for Marxism. And it was that split between the Socialist and Marxists that caused the CCP to break away then go to war with the KMT.
     
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    Ok but Sun Yat Sen died already in 1925 in the time when KMT and CPC were still allies fighting together against remains of feudalism and so called warlords which were connected in many cases with European colonial powers or Japan. Also in Comintern Stalin's policy did not yet prevail. Later KMT considered Soviet policy as colonialism too.

    In Taiwan economy was built first with the help of land reform. Then landowners were encouraged to invest in growing industry which was supported also by pretty big USA help. So landowners were becoming capitalists and shareholders.
     
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