Nazis really are the biggest losers in history.

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  1. gandrews

    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    The Nazis are without a doubt the biggest losers in history.
    They began the war with the best trained, most obedient army, outfitted with the very best military equipment mankind had ever developed. A short 6 years later they were sending untrained children, some as young as 9, to the front lines with wooden drill rifles to defend the country. At the end many of these Nazi leaders took the coward's way out, killing themselves and leaving their beloved(?) fatherland decimated and in ruins.
    Who in their right mind would want to aspire to be a Nazi and be thought of as nothing more than another huge loser?:wall:
     
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    Jew haters.
     
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    Thank god the Nazis lost, and that comes from someone who'd grow up as full on "Arian" in Austria if they'd won. But I disagree with the premise. Independent on how much people thought of the 3rd Reich army, it wasn't that well equipped because of WW1 and the fact that Germany's military machinery was dismantled after. Germany in 1933 was militarily speaking a joke, having no real fighter air planes or battle ships. By 1939 they at least caught up a bit, but in numbers were usually still outdrawn by the French or the British.

    Hitler claimed in the later days that the most problematic thing was that Czechoslovakia was not militarily invaded in 1938. He thought the military invasion was better because he'd have a better shot of catching everyone else off guard. By 1938 France and Britain saw that something was up, and started building up their military again, hence being much better prepared for what followed in 1939.

    The pride and joy of the German army wasn't really the equipment though, but the bravery of the soldiers. And that didn't die until 1945, as you said, with even children fighting in battle, which is insane. The collapse of the German army really didn't happen until late 1944. One major problem was the second front line after D-Day. Had the assassination attempt by Stauffenberg on July 20th 1944 been successful, a lot of lives could have been saved. From August 1944 to May 1945 (unconditional surrender) nearly half of all deaths in Europe caused in World War 2 occurred. Instead of having a death toll of 55 million, that number could have been closer to 30 if they got rid of Hitler. That's just how crazy he was, because he couldn't have been dumb enough to think that they'd win after. He probably just wanted to extend his own existence and kill as many Jews as he could. The death camps didn't start until the Germans started loosing, before one of the plans was to relocate them to Madagaskar.
     
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    As a superpower, it's impossible to defeat 3 other superpowers: UK, US and Soviet Union.

    They could have taken 2, but 3 was too much for them.
     
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    maybe they shouldn't have attacked the USSR.

    Hitler wasn't the smartest.
     
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    Yeah, a country the size of Montana took on the rest of the world. They were the first to get something into space, first to break the sound barrier, first jet aircraft, whadda bunch of losers.
     
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    After the Soviet Union came to an end and their archives were opened in the 90's, it has been proven that Hitler was just 2 weeks ahead with his pre-emptive strike before the Soviets would have come rolling into Europe, as they had built up a massive invasion force. So basically, the Germans tried to protect all of Europe from a communist take-over.

    Source: "Icebreaker" from Victor Suvorov
     
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    And they had the first stealth bomber as well (Horten Ho-229, which later became the B-2), and they had the MP-44 Sturmgewehr (which later became the AK-47), and they became an economic superpower within 6 years time while the rest of the world was still in recession, and they were leading in the fields of education, medics, literature, art, music and military.

    At the end of the war they were technologically 50 - 75 years ahead on the rest of the world.
     
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    And remarkably, the best gas chambers they could come up with had doors that opened inward, with handles on the inside, that were not hermetically sealed, let alone with windows... and a captured soviet sub that emitted diesel exhaust?

    And people get locked up for questioning this?
     
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    Yes, I read yesterday Ursula Haverbeck AGAIN got a 8 month sentence in Germany for denying the Holocaust at the age of 87 years old... madness.

    http://www.dw.com/en/nazi-grandma-holocaust-denier-ursula-haverbeck-sentenced-to-jail/a-19522941

    She already was sent to prison last year for denying the Holocaust on German's largest tv channel ARD last year.
     
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    I don't know where you read that. The Germans were very meticulous even to the point of finding the most efficient way to burn bodies, fat women on the bottom, skinny guys on top.
     
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    People are free to question the Holocaust to their hearts content Sam. Just don't state in your question anything that alludes, implies or otherwise means that the systematic extermination of six million Jews and millions of others by Nazi Germany never occurred.
     
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    this thread isn't about Holocaust denial.

    why are you bringing it up?
     
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    This is from a story of one of the most infamous of the Jewish liars. Google Yankel Wiernik. This guy additionally claimed he was shot by a guard, but the bullet stopped after going through his clothes when it touched his skin. His tale continues further as he goes on to claim that he went back after the guard and killed him with an axe. All the prisoners had axes, right? Sorry, not buying it.

    Women burn better? Not a trace of ash, let alone bone fragments or even teeth? On open air grills? Sorry, not buying it.

    This is a perfect example of the stories one must believe in many "free" nations. What makes this all the more disgusting is that the two primary sources concerning Treblinka, both Hilberg and Arad, use this character as a source. And we keep hearing how this is historical fact? Sorry, not buying it.
     
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    Fact. One of the biggest problems in mass extermination was disposing of bodies. The first attempt at burning were failure. Engineers were brought in to make the process more efficient with the use of less fuel. Fat burns. The burning reduces bodies to bone and ash.
     
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    Yes, the Nazis really were a bunch of losers.
     
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    The story is an obvious lie. Look at modern cremation for comparison or just use common sense.

    And google Yankel Wiernik as I suggested. He is the source of this nonsense.

    Which is exactly the point as no signs of what must be mountains of these remains have ever been discovered.
     
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    No doubt the NAZIs were killing folks on a large scale, lots of documentation after the liberation of the concentration camps. There may be some question about the actual numbers.
     
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    If the Nazis were smart, they would not have persecuted useful Jews and Jews willing to work with them.

    if they had, they would be ruling the world today.
     
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    Just socialism taking, "giant leaps forward for Mankind" instead of a capital, profit motive.
     
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    See post #2.The End.It's already degraded into nutter Holocaust denial at this point. Whackadoodle-doo!
     
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    Nazis destroyed themselves cause they were losers.

    this is a fact
     
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    It takes 2,5 - 3 hours to cremate a body in a modern cremation oven.

    70 years ago things weren't as efficient as they were now.

    Besides that, imagine the enormous amounts of fuel needed to cremate the millions bodies.

    The Germans didn't have time, nor the resources for that as they needed everything they got for the war-effort.
     
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    Yeah complete losers, all that and their women got rapped and cities reduced to rubble!
     
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    If only the suicide jockey Hitler could of figured that out before starting the war, 60 million people might not of died, but he couldn't and they did.
     
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