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Nearly half of Republicans think US has to live with mass shootings, poll finds

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    If you think the 10A gives right to infringement of the 2A, you are anti gun.
    And you think the 10A gives the right to infringe. So, you are anti gun.
     
    dairyair, Jun 20, 2022
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I never said that-go back and read again.

    Let me explain this at a say a high school level. The second amendment negatively restricts the federal government from infringing upon the right to keep and bear arms. Some argue what are arms (is a LAW and arm? is a grenade an arm)/ Others will argue what "keep and bear" refers to. However, the tenth amendment states that powers NOT delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states and the people. Much of the New Deal was originally and properly struck down on tenth amendment grounds because the court held that the federal government was NEVER GIVEN THE PROPER POWER to enact much of that socialist legislation.

    When it comes to the tenth amendment-no federal gun control power is proper because the federal government was never given any Article One Section Eight powers to regulate any weapon. It matters not if the weapon is an "arm" or if the actions interfere with keeping and bearing or using the weapon in another manner.
     
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  3. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    So, per the 10A, you are antigun. As much as i am antigun. Got it.

    I guess this little game of yours is quite easy.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Can anyone tell us how anyone with a brain can make such a moronic statement

    you don't seem to grasp that the tenth amendment should prevent ANY FEDERAL GUN CONTROL Laws and that is more expansive than the second
     
    Turtledude, Jun 20, 2022
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    I don't know.
    But I am just playing your very own game. IF you think it's moronic, I agree.
    But I am antigun as much as you are antigun. It's moronic of you to say I am anitgun. I agree.

    Every time someone has a different opinion than yours, you immediately call them antigun. Every one, every time.

    But you are definitely for infringements. That doesn't make one antigun. But you say it any way.

    I am throwing your dishonest claim back in your face. Is it moronic, yes. Now you see it.
    Will you stop making moronic statements like that?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you are anti gun-you believe in telling millions of 18 -20 year olds they cannot be trusted to buy or own a firearm. You support moronic feel good BS legislation that harasses only those who are buying guns lawfully and does nothing about felons obtaining guns

    if you support banning a large number of adults with clean records from buying guns YOU ARE ANTI GUN

    if you support crap like waiting periods=YOU ARE ANTI GUN
     
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  7. dairyair

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    you are anti gun. You believe the 10A can infringe on the 2A.
    Even though the 2A is explicit. Shall not be infringed.
    it doesn't say shall not be infringed, except see, 10A.

    You support feel good BS legislation that harasses only those who are buying arms lawfully and does nothing about felons obtaining weapons.
    If you support banning a large number of adults with clean records form buy arms, YOU ARE ANTIGUN.

    I own a gun. I like to shoot deer with it.
     
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    how does the tenth infringements upon the second? Damn that is stupid
     
    Turtledude, Jun 20, 2022
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    And when the input and feedback was given, those parents were tagged terrorists by the DOJ.
     
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    No it isn't. Despite what many people think you rarely go to prison for low level drug offenses in the U.S.
     
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    LOL. You get bad news.
    Those parents. You saying all parents in the country who gave feedback and input to their school boards are tagged terrorists?
    Or was it a couple that got out of hand.
    Which parents? How many? What was the feedback?

    Come on.
     
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    Don't be so hard on yourself.
    I agree it's stupid for one to claim the 10A allows infringements of the 2A. But you claim it over and over.

    The 2A is quite explicit.
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    Second Amendment


    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
     
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    still stuck on that silly claim? the tenth amendment prevents all federal gun control if properly interpreted. where you get the bs you post is hilarious
     
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    Show us the parents that got out of hand. Let's see.
     
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    Did the Bill of Rights apply to the states at ratification?
     
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    It's your silly claim, not mine. It's your justification for infringement of arms.
     
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    LOL. You made the claim, not I. You show us the parents you claim got out of hand.
     
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    You tell us.
    So per the constitution, we can infringe on arms keeping and bearing?
     
    dairyair, Jun 21, 2022
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    Per the Constitution, the states could, depending upon their constitutions.
     
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    Why then has the USSC over ruled some State's rights?
    Why would the USSC even need to be involved?
     
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    you again are confused. I will again explain-this time at a grade school level

    the 2A prevents some things that the federal government never had any proper power to do in the first place due to the tenth amendment
     
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    ever heard of incorporation through the fourteenth amendment?

    states don't have rights

    states have certain powers

    the USSC has often held those powers violate the bill of rights
     
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    Any thing you make up to justify your infringement of the 2A.
    You just have a line in the sand.
     
    dairyair, Jun 21, 2022
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    What do I support given I don't believe that the federal government has any proper power to regulate firearms because of the tenth amendment
     
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    Of course, that's what I've been saying.
    You justify your arms infringement in a way that makes you agree with infringement.

    That's why we have several infringements of arms ownership.
    It's just a line in the sand.
    Can a State ban outright arms ownership due to the 10A? or 14A, or any other amendment you want to use to justify arms infringement.
     
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