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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I want to explore your moronic claim that I think the tenth allows infringements of the second. Can you explain that claim a bit further
     
    Turtledude, Jun 21, 2022
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  2. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    It's your claim. The 10A allows States to infringe.
     
    dairyair, Jun 21, 2022
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  3. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    yeah before the second amendment was incorporated to the states consistent with the state's constitution . read Cruikshank and McDonald
     
    Turtledude, Jun 21, 2022
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  4. dairyair

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    So, you have your line in the sand.
    You've not refuted anything I've said about your stance on arms infringement.

    I notice you didn't answer my question about, can a State completely ban arms keeping and bearing based on 10A?
     
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    dairyair, Jun 21, 2022
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  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    no because that has been banned by incorporation and most likely the state's own constitution.

    Do you really want to continue to get school on this issue?
     
    Turtledude, Jun 21, 2022
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    Did thise rulings occur after the ratification of the 14th Amendment?
     
    Rucker61, Jun 22, 2022
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  7. dairyair

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    Yes. It's interesting how you twist and add amendments to cover the 2A, where it's explicit in saying 'shall not be infringed'.
    So keep schooling me how you justify in your mind how you like infringements by tying in other infringements that are not mentioned in the 2A.

    It's always interesting on how people make things up to fit their world view.
     
    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    No idea.
     
    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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  9. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    its interesting how you continue to prove that you are ignorant of the debate between the federalists and the anti federalists and how many correctly believed that since the federal government was never given any firearms regulatory power over private citizens, we wouldn't need something like the 2nd and the Tenth but since we do have the tenth, the second is essentially superfluous if the courts actually DID THEIR JOBS
     
    Turtledude, Jun 22, 2022
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    Only spurred on by your ignorance of the 2A.
    Oh well.
    But you keep posting how you are anti gun.
     
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  11. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your moronic posts are being laughed at by many. Remind me which law school gave you a law degree.
     
    Turtledude, Jun 22, 2022
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  12. dairyair

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    Your moronic posts are being laughed at by many.
    Remind everyone, what does this mean?

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    Second Amendment

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
     
    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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  13. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    why don't you tell me who YOU THINK are the most knowledgeable posters on the second amendment are on this board. And ask them if you have a clue what you are talking about.
     
    Turtledude, Jun 22, 2022
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    I know you agree with me, that infringements are allowed. In spite of the 2A.
    All you have is a line in the sand.

    What's there to be knowledgeable about?
    2A say no infringements. We have several. And you agree with that.
    As most do.
     
    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    nope, While I acknowledge that the federal government engages in infringements and that the federal government allows that, I maintain that such infringements are unconstitutional as a violation of both the second and tenth amendments

    you on the other hand want to impose more infringements such as waiting periods and denying 18 year olds the right to buy guns at a FEDERAL LEVEL
     
    Turtledude, Jun 22, 2022
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    Lines in the sand. I haven't stated my lines. But you go ahead and do your usual and make up things.
    It's your entire argument.

    You are for infringements as much as anyone else. You have your line in the sand.
     
    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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    are you going to DENY that you want to EXPAND federal infringements on our rights?

    you are on record saying you want to ban all 18-20 year olds from being able to buy rifles and you want a waiting period. I oppose EVERY SINGLE federal gun control law as violating the tenth amendment and most also violate the second amendment was well
     
    Turtledude, Jun 22, 2022
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    What difference does it make.
    It's a line in the sand.
    Per 2A, no infringements. Period.
    If you agree with 1 infringement, all others are on the table. Society will decide.
     
    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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    Are you unable to read or are you unable to honestly state what I said? I oppose any and all federal gun control laws because the federal government was never given any such power in article one section eight and no amendment was enacted which created any such power

    you support banning millions of people from buying firearms and making them wait without any probable cause reasons to do so

    you want to EXPAND infringements and you dishonestly weasel around that with your infantile nonsense of "line in the sand"
     
    Turtledude, Jun 22, 2022
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    The 2A is explicit.

    Second Amendment

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Stop being dishonest and weaseling around with your infantile nonsense.
    You are for infringements. You don't think LAWs and the like should be free of infringement.

    Now we wait for your next infantile response.
     
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    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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    yet you claim you want to ban people who are 18-20 from being able to buy a rifle. Is that infringing on their rights?

    where does the federal government get the proper power to do that

    You want to impose a waiting period after someone has passed a background check from obtaining their firearm

    where does the federal government get the proper power to do that? is that an infringement
     
    Turtledude, Jun 22, 2022
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  22. dairyair

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    You want your own infringements.
    You have your line in the sand.
     
    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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    you seem unable to understand simple things. the issue is federal government infringements-I don't support any
    you support EXPANDING the ones that already exist
     
    Turtledude, Jun 22, 2022
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    Prohibited Weapons
    In addition to certain persons who are prohibited from possessing a legal firearm or ammunition, there are certain categories of prohibited weapons (18 U.S.C. §§ 922 (a)(4), (k) & (o); 924 (c)(1)(B)). Exceptions apply to a firearms licensee.

    Except as authorized by federal law, the following categories of weapons are prohibited:

    • Destructive devices, such as:
      • Bombs;
      • Grenades;
      • Rockets;
      • Missiles; and/or
      • Mines
    • Machineguns and fully automatic firearms, including any part designed or intended exclusively for use in such weapon;
    • Any firearm silencer, including any device or part designed to silence, muffle or diminish the report of a firearm;


      The federal court has prohibited certain categories of weapons.
    • Short-barreled (“sawed off”) rifles with a barrel length less than 16 inches and any weapon made from a rifle with an overall length of less than 26 inches;
    • Short-barreled (“sawed off”) shotguns with a barrel length less than 18 inches and any weapon made from a shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches;
    • Semi-automatic assault weapons (manufactured after October 1, 1993);
    • Any firearm where the serial number has been changed, removed or destroyed (“filed off”).
    https://www.wklaw.com/federal-firearms-laws
     
    dairyair, Jun 22, 2022
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    https://www.wklaw.com/federal-firearms-laws

    It's just different lines in the sand.

    Second Amendment

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
     
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