Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

When a nation blackmails other nations not to buy the goods of another nation, isn't that similar to the tactics used by the mafia and wouldn't it be an imposition on the rights of the other nation?

 

Well, if a country could put itself in a position to supply all, or most, of another country's energy, or food, then indeed cutting off that supply could undermine the latter's sovereignty.

 

It's a country's right not to sell to an adversary, in the same way you have a right not to sell something to someone you don't like. But when a person threatens others not to buy your goods, but to buy their own at a higher price, then isn't that coercion? So couldn't the same be said of nations that do the same = such as the US?

Not that it matters. Sanctions can only work as long as the dollar is used - and its demise has now become evident because of the sanctions. More and more nations are starting to trade outside of the dollar.

Now let's see how long the following will be going on?


(Sing to the tune of Row, row, row your boat)
Washington's Money Machine

Turn, turn, turn the wheel

all the life long day.​

So we can merrily, merrily,

merrily, merrily,​

spend our life away. - Jeannette

 

You may cut off POWER but you do not disturb the capacity for a nation to make its own laws.
BTW they can find other supply routes.

 

You forgot the "if" which qualifies the action required.
You have no idea about whom Putin was speaking.

 

Right! US policy will force many to create demand for the national currency and abandon the dollar. Russia has never violated gas and oil contracts, but may start selling them for rubles.

 

Interesting! I never thought of that. Is there anything in the contracts specifying that gas must be paid in dollars? From what I gather, Russia is cautious since any extreme drop in the value of the dollar would throw the world into a depression. They are going about it gradually though.

Oh for heaven's sake, isn't it obvious? I don't see Russia imposing its standards on us, do you?

What I see are the ridiculous standards we've been trying to impose on the world - which by the way has always been part and parcel of Western arrogance - whether it was the Crusaders bashing people's heads in to release the demons, or the Woke liberalism of today.

I'm saying this, even though I'm part and parcel of the same culture minus the idiocies, after all I was born and raised in the US. As they say, you can take a man out of their country, but you can't take the country out of the man.

Anyway, I don't believe in impositions of any sort. Man was made to be free.

I'm free man, yes I am
and whatcha gonna do about that?​

 

Exactly and that is their right.

 

Rather rubles and yuan. Now the dollar's share in trade between Russia and China is less than 50%.

 

Let's say Sri Lanka imports 90%+ of its oil from one country. Shutting off all oil exports suddenly would do nothing in 1950, but now that they have built a society around oil (meaning without it, trucks don't get food to stores and thus people starve), then the mere threat of doing that could influence Sri Lankan leaders' national decisions; therefore, their sovereignty is undermined.

 

But you are still ignoring their sovereignty, or capacity to find oil supplies somewhere else.
It doesn't have to be via a pipeline. It is transported all over the world by huge tankers.
And the price is guaranteed by membership of the World Trade Organisation where the exporter has to sell to all other members at the same price.
Trade without discrimination
1. Most-favoured-nation (MFN): treating other people equally Under the WTO agreements, countries cannot normally discriminate between their trading partners. Grant someone a special favour (such as a lower customs duty rate for one of their products) and you have to do the same for all other WTO members.

Some exceptions are allowed. For example, countries can set up a free trade agreement that applies only to goods traded within the group — discriminating against goods from outside. Or they can give developing countries special access to their markets. Or a country can raise barriers against products that are considered to be traded unfairly from specific countries. And in services, countries are allowed, in limited circumstances, to discriminate. But the agreements only permit these exceptions under strict conditions. In general, MFN means that every time a country lowers a trade barrier or opens up a market, it has to do so for the same goods or services from all its trading partners — whether rich or poor, weak or strong.

(from WTO website)

The issue of sovereignty is not compromised by threats or blackmail.

 

That was their mistake. We could say the same about every dependency people and nations have on others. This is why I'm adamantly against globalism. The more self sufficiency there is, the more immune people are to outside forces and natural disasters.

If it was up to me, every home would be totally self sufficient in electricity, and every kitchen would have its own indoor vegetable garden.

The globalist one world order and government that is being pushed by certain individuals and parties, is the exact opposite. For instance, in the EU each nation was to have its own purpose. Britain was the finance nation. Germany the industrial nation. France the agricultural nations, etc. So nations gave up their industries, their farms etc..

So what happens is there's a war or calamity and commerce ceases?



"Are we gonna die!"
"Yes!"

 

In the politest possible way, can I tell you that this is ridiculous.
The EU wasn't planned. It is purely a set of sovereign countries who volunteered to create single market and was one of the first to design a customs union for the mutual protection of the economies which are members.
The competences of the EU fall well short of the national freedoms to develop and grow their own economies in whatever direction and emphasis they wish.
No one "gave up their" anything.
In fact the EU allowed a more secure development of their natural historical gifts.
Their specialisms are a result of history and investment both internal and by their own investment outside themselves (mergers and acquisitions) and by others investing in them.
Germany developed its industrial strength through research during the war. France happens to be blessed with a good geography and spread of temperature to make agriculture a profitable concern. London (NOT the UK) has been a banking centre due to its trading prowess since the Renaissance.


ISTM you have a "unique" understanding of European identity which easily leads to important misreadings of its history and character.

Individual communities such as the ones you describe are no longer viable unless you want to live like the 18th century. Even in the 19th century , trade enriched a fair few and accelerated some families to wealth they reflect today in their huge homes, art collections, patronage of the arts ie music etc. etc.

 

Not according to the British. They said they had to rebuild their industries with Brexit. They had given them up because they were to be the finance nation. I know Greece was supposed to be the tourist nation, so they too gave up their industries and also their farms - which by the way had the most delicious peaches imaginable.

Sometimes it's better to sacrifice a temporary economic well being and growth, for a certain amount of self sufficiency and security.

 

The decline in UK industry in the 70's was the result of poor management, poor industrial relations and uncompetitive production over many years.
The EU didn't accept the UK because of tis industry...that was in a mess (the poor man of Europe).
However more to the point you are conflating the "original purpose" of the EU 75 years ago with the electioneering of 6 years ago. What you heard about Brexit was far more persuasive propaganda and empty promises...that one to entice the industrial north to support it.

No country was "supposed to be" anything. In most cases they already were. The EU has no power to force, entice or persuade any member to concentrate on any part of its economy. It is a MARKET which the membership of creates benefits for trade, community projects and the protection of human and workers' rights. The EU has NO control over a member's budget, investment decisions, choice of trading partners from within its agreed trade deals, or how a country handles its growth sectors.

 

Please!
That would be great! Switch to rubles!

 

Yep!
Please switch to ruble! Every time Pootin does something stupid, it drops like a rock.

 

Switch to rubles, switch to yuan, switch to euros...it won't matter. Russia will sell to whoever wants to buy. If the US doesn't want any Russian O&G, then the Democrats should stop preventing local production.

I don't see Ukie land on that map.

About 75% of my investments are in Brazilian O&G. When the hits the fan , I'll move that 75% into Russian companies. And I'll laugh all the way to the bank.

So please please please Ukie nationalists, launch a major offensive in the Donbass with your new US taxpayer supplied toys. They'll get the **** kicked out of them by Russia and I'll make a ton of $$

 

Wise investors short Russian assets these days, as can be evidenced by their stock market drop and ruble devaluation.
But go ahead and buy!

 

At the right time, I will and big. I would short Ukrainian companies but since they are all so corrupt, none are publicly traded. NONE. Even the stock market knows who is

 

What are you blubbering about? Ukraine has its own stock market.

http://www.ux.ua/en/

 

The Russian Federation unlike all other countries is almost totally self sufficient in everything - and therefore immune to whatever happens, whether it's a world wide depression, war, etc. They have managed to survive everything that was thrown on it by those who subsist through blackmail and coercion, and they will continue to survive - but will we?

This was Vladimir Putin main intent, and he started it with the first sanctions when he banned all products from the EU to build up their own industries.

As for the image you posted, it has nothing to do with the standard of living because Russia as a self-sufficient economy doesn't run on dollars but rather rubles, so that everything is much, much cheaper than it would be in the US and Europe.

Russia's an export nation, the lower the ruble, the more competitive their exports. A low ruble also lessens the amount of money leaving a country, and increases the amount of money entering a country - something that's needed to build up a nation's economy.

The minute the ruble starts going up in value, the banks will drop it down again. This has helped them ward off the numerous economic attacks by the US.

Because of our sanctions, Russia now, thanks to Vladimir Putin, will be able to survive no matter what - but as I said, will we?

 

This pretty well illustrates where we are with the Ukrainian "crisis".

On Thursday both Victoria Nuland and Antony Blinken contacted the Chinese in hopes China would help them pull their chestnuts out of the fire in Ukraine. First of all, it is delusional to think for a second this might work. The Chinese reply was predictable.

Here's a bit on it from The Global Times. The Times is acknowledged to reflect the CCP's official stance so this is not some random journalist's opinion.

Washington is trying to create such a public opinion impression that the US is working hard to alleviate the crisis. It wants to kick the ball to Russia and China, making them bear the responsibility while shaping the US as a good man. After Washington set a fire in Ukraine, it has pretended to be a victim and imagines China to "persuade" Russia to put it out. It must be pointed out that Washington is blowing smoke to reverse the cause and the effect.

and.......

To solve the Ukraine crisis, if we are to play a mediating role, we would like to advise Washington that "whoever hung the bell on the tiger's neck must untie it." It should give up the zero-sum game and the Cold War mentality as soon as possible, and use the correct method to put out the fire it set.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202201/1250196.shtml

 

Don't forget the Greek fishing industry.
And its' demise. Globalist over fishing and such.
Areas that use to be Greek national waters & fisheries.
Fisheries serving Greeks for thousands of years.
GWTW with E.U. factory ships & over fishing

Dear @Jeannette
You tell 'em




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I've got more invested in one Brazilian company than the entire volume of the Ukrainian stock market.

Ukie stock market is where stupid investors go to get their money stole by Ukie oligarchs.