Neil deGrasse Tyson's flawed logic

I would add that we are talking about the UFO phenomenon. That is what can be studied. If an alien landed and introduced itself to the scientists at Cal Tech, and it explained the UFO reports, there would be no need to study.

The notion that you only study something when you have proof of the answer, is just stupid. LOL! No one would ever study anything.

Also, note that science doesn't prove things. It falsifies things. Technically there is no such a thing as scientific proof. This entire argument gets twisted and even scientists abandon basic principles and bend over backwards to dismiss this stuff, just to avoid talking about it.

Another bs reply from science is that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". There is no such a thing. There is no definition for "extraordinary evidence" It is a purely subjective statement and not scientific.

 

Fermi asked "Where are they". Logically we should expect to see aliens.

I ask, how do you know they're not here already?

 

Here is another one where the popular scientific answer falls on its face.

What are the odds that we've been visited by aliens. The automatic answer given generally is, very, very small, if not zero.

If faster-than-light travel is possible or ever could be possible, if wormholes or some exotic technology could make it possible to travel thousand of light years, if transdimensional travel could ever be possible, then visitations by advanced civilizations may be a near certainty. We might be living next to an intergalactic highway and not even know it.

Modern physics leaves the door open for this. That is the point of the scientific paper I linked above. So we can't know the chances of an ET visitation unless we know the limits of technology for a civilization perhaps a million years more advanced than us, or more.

So what are the chances of an ET visitation? The correct answer is, we don't know. The best we can say is that the chances range from 0 to 100%.

 

Science allows speculation. What they don't allow is pretending it's adequate evidence.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot about this one:
Japanese Boeing 747 Encountered Gigantic Spaceship For 50 Mins Over The Sky Of Alaska In 1986

There's plenty of radar data and communications that have remained unexplained.

 

Prepare to be disappointed.

 

Tyson should know better than most people that space aliens have an insurmountable distance to overcome to make a visit. With current technology, the nearest star is 30,000 years away and the centauri double star appears to have no planets that could support life. Stars near the galactic center are trillions of years away even at the speed of light. Certainly the little craft in all those photos couldn't make it. There is zero credible evidence of space aliens on or near our planet. I can understand a lay man falling for the space alien stuff but Tyson should know better.

 

- John Callahan FAA Division Chief of Accidents and Investigations

 

Lots more like
The Malmstrom AFB UFO/Missile Incident
https://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/malm1.htm

UFOs over the White House in 1952
https://www.pbs.org/video/weta-extras-ufos-above-washington/

Add Minot ND, and the Big Sur Filming
https://www.military.com/daily-news...ievers-return-newly-attentive-washington.html

and many many more. In recent years other countries like Chile have declassified their military UFO encounters as well.

And let me add that the Travis Walton UFO abduction story is also highly credible because the 5 witnesses to his abduction all passed a lie detector test while under investigation for murder. You don't fake that!
https://www.amazon.com/Travis-True-Story-Walton/dp/B086Q9L7LJ

His story was made into a movie called Fire in the Sky. But many parts did not follow his account of what happened.

These are just a few landmark cases. There are many more military cases going all the way back to the Foo Fighters in WWII.

Regarding Rendlesham, you might be interested in knowing I once spent an hour on the phone with Col Halt, who was the deputy base commander who made the tape and wrote that now famous report.

 

Other old cases of note that you can find online:

Lakenheath/Bentwaters; 1956
Missing F-89 Case; Michigan; 1953:
Ellsworth AFB; 1953
The Nash/Fortenberry Sighting; 1952
The McMinnville UFO; 1950

The case that marks the beginning of the modern UFO era:
The Kenneth Arnold Case; Near Mt. Ranier, Washington; June 24, 1947

The Foo Fighters in WWII

And of course one of the fascinating cases marking the beginning of WWII, the so-called Battle of Los Angeles



Also notable
Himalayas; 1929, Nicholas Roerich
San Francisco Call, Nov 26, 1896

 

Oh, can't forget a big one - the Coyne Helicopter UFO encounter [National Guard] 1973
https://www.ohiomysteries.com/ohio mysteries/1973-the-coyne-helicopter-incident

 

And anyone who has studied advanced physics knows that may not be true. I posted a published paper that says so. So your uninformed hearsay doesn't count for squat.

So you think aliens would be using our current technology? There's your problem.

 

And who says "they" came here? Yet another pedestrian flaw in the logic of outspoken pop science celebrities - the assumption that the UFO occupants [assuming there are some] haven't always been here.

Also, the assumption that they are traveling across space and not transdimensional. String Theory suggests that there could be another dimension just a millimeter away.

 

When I personally polled physicists, it came up that many see time travel as more likely than aliens from another planet. More likely, some argue while referring to Occam's Razor, they are future humans traveling back in time.

 

I think they are making tamper proof digital cams now? No?

 

Such animals may be available but I doubt they will be put into wide use. The point of cell-phone cameras is that everyone has one.

One of the luxuries of the olden days was that we could often get the original film from an event.

 

Even given a tamper-proof camera, how do you prove it's tamper proof? So far there is no such a thing as a computer [device] that can't be hacked.

Given an irrefutable photo from a tamper-proof camera, the skeptical argument is, it is more likely the camera was hacked, than that ET traveled here from a distant star.

 

Cool!

May I ask in what role were you speaking to him?

 

Yeah, this to me sounds the most logical based on what we know so far in physics and cosmology.

 

There are a number of impressive reports where observers on the ground reported seeing observers on the crafts that looked like people. I believe the Highland Illinois 2000 event was one of those. I know of one from Oregon from the 80s IIRC. Hard to say how many in total I may have read but I would guess at least half a dozen. There are many where occupants were allegedly seen but not such that great detail could be determined.

 

I was representing a group of interested scientists. I won't say how but I managed to get his home number. When I explained who I was, he agreed to talk.

 

Yes, I'm familiar with all of these.

 

I would have loved to take Travis Walton out for lunch; just to get a face-to-face read on the man. But I don't play an active role any more.

 

I really wanted to talk with Florence J Mansmann, the Major who was in charge of Dr. Jacobs, who filmed the Big Sur UFO during the missile test. I talked with his wife twice but he was very ill and then passed away. But she did confirm to me personally that he maintained the truth of those events until he died.

Mansmann was the only other known living witness [other than Jacobs] who saw the original film.

 

Very cool!

So is this part of your job, or hobby?

I only ask because I do trust MUFON but I always wonder, how do they make a living doing that?

There are just so many groups and fans of the whole UFO thing, but some of them are way out there, and it's way too easy to be a poser in that pursuit. It's hard to build credibility unless you have a clear goal, and I think MUFON's is quite simple; document it.

I think the whole "aliens visiting us" theme has been overplayed by natural urban mythmaking, though it doesn't discount some high profile cases like Travis Walton. I lean towards either natural phenomena or transdimensional probes.

Have you read Whitley Streiber's Communion?

I have and I'm not convinced it was extraterrestrial as much as psychological. I like Streiber a lot as a writer and radio person, but probably also because he is almost the spitting image of my uncle.