Netanyahu’s Indulgence of Anti-Semitism and Abandonment of Democracy

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First out probably this fellow

    Matt Hancock refuses to rule out staying in EU after 31 October

    On the other hand perhaps he will be the surprise winner!

    He says those who promise to leave by 31st October are being dishonest as Parliament will block any No Deal and points out that trying that would result in a General Election which would of course be disastrous for the Tories.
     
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    21 large Arab countries ... Democracy ? ZERO .
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tunisia is probably the most democratic country in the ME. You have nothing to say about Netanyahu's encouragement of antisemitism and the fact that to the extent Israel ever was a democracy it is no more.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you talking about. I was not talking about News. However if you want credibility between Trump and the man who wrote that article, Trump and you have no chance.

    Henry Seigman is former Director of the American Jewish Congress and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Siegman

    You will need to look closer to home for your fake news. Now if you have something genuine to contest Please state it.
     
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    sorry wrong thread!
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I take it this was the bit of the article you didn't like

    I was looking for this bit before to give you an idea of Seigman's credentials.

    https://lobelog.com/netanyahus-indulgence-of-anti-semitism-and-abandonment-of-democracy/

    Unfortunately the West is choosing to call criticism of Israel antisemitism and to give a free reign to genuine antisemitism - the vast majority being from the far right. Given that Israel is an ethnic nationalist state and that the rulers of such or would be such in the West strongly support Israel (but not necessarily Jews) Israel ignores their antisemitism - after all to him antisemitism is just criticism of Israel. This is part of what Seigman is talking about.

    Concerning this, he gives as one example Hungary. A few years ago Hungary put up a statue to the man who had organised the deportation of Hungary's Jews to the death camps. Seigman gives another example

    https://lobelog.com/netanyahus-indulgence-of-anti-semitism-and-abandonment-of-democracy/

    Israel is of the extreme right and is supported by the extreme right in the West.
     
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    "It would be an excellent idea to call in respectable, accredited anti-Semites as liquidators of property. To the people they would vouch for the fact that we do not wish to bring about the impoverishment of the countries that we leave. At first they must not be given large fees for this; otherwise we shall spoil our instruments and make them despicable as 'stooges of the Jews.' Later their fees will increase, and in the end we shall have only Gentile officials in the countries from which we have emigrated. The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies." (The Complete Diaries of Theodor Herzl. Vol. 1, edited by Raphael Patai, translated by Harry Zohn, page 83-84)

    How true this has become.
     
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    I read your article - it was long on accusation, but short on facts. The author claimed that Netanyahu was keeping company with right-wing heads of state - but mentioned only one, the leader of Hungry.
    Hungry is not exactly a power-broker in the World. Its influence is minimal. The author claimed that Netanyahu sent two agents to help the government there to stir up anti-Semitic feelings. But offerred
    no proof that this had actually been done. We just have his assertion, no names, no dates. The author said that local Jews had complained about anti-Semitic billboards sponsored by the Hungarian
    Government, and that Netanyahu intervened on behalf of the Hungarians. This certainly seems an odd reaction, but not necessarily sinister. Knowing that Hungry is already anti-Semitic,
    Netanyahu may simply not have wanted to make things worse by complaining to the Hungarians about the billboards. All-in-all, the author did not come close to proving his contention that Netan-
    yahu is trying to promote anti-Semitism (and why would he?). Anti-Semitism is already on the rise in Europe and in the United States.
     
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    and of course it was true at the beginning, not only that of course antisemites would help zionism in order to get rid of Europe's Jews - one of the reason most Jews were against Zionism but also that most of the early zionists were of course for ethnic Nationalism. There is a tape about this but I can't find it.
    One thing I think is interesting, Netanyhu's father worked for Jabotinsky and I hear Netanyhu determined to finish his work.

    https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2017/10/20/jabotinsky-zionist-case-fascism/

    Most Jews of course including Zionists did not go his way and for a while Israel could have gone in a different direction. I also take seriously American Christian Zionism and its interference particularly after the concept of the 2 State Solution came up, and it is not impossible that without that Israel could have gone for a two state solution which could have worked and with the right attitude worked well. But the Religious Right got involved and Netanyhu has been working with them since then.

    I think Seigman makes a good point that these people will soon turn on ordinary Jew.
     
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    Israel is the tower of light in that area.
    The envy of the Arabs..
     

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