Netanyahu claims Hitler did not want to exterminate the Jews, blames Haj Amin al-Husseini

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  1. Mushroom

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    Actually, great numbers were peasants.

    Let me guess, I imagine you believe all the Jews were bankers and professors. Nope, the vast majority were like any other group of the era. Bakers, butchers, candle makers, clerks, farmers, laborers, just like anywhere else.

    And BTW, even "peasants" are normally highly skilled. How much wheat can you harvest with a cradle scythe? How many bales of hay can you pitch in a day? How many cows can you milk, or butcher? Do not even try to go with that silly idea that peasants were poor stupid people. They were actually highly skilled labor.
     
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    German Jews, of which there were around 300,000 or less, had an entirely different social and wealth structure than the Jews of eastern Europe. German Jews were a much more prosperous demographic, and in fact looked down their noses at eastern European Jews; some still do to this day. IF Hitler 'wasn't really trying to get rid of all Jews', he sure spent a lot of effort on exterminating them, the overwhelmingly vast majority of them being Jews from outside Germany and German allied countries.

    One of the reasons it was good that we did not shed a lot of blood 'rescuing' eastern Europe from the Soviets is that they supported Hitler's round up of Jews for the most part, and then murdered any who tried to return home after the war was over, which was why there so many still interned in the concentration camps by 1947, unable to leave. They generally weren't worth saving, since they were as savage and nasty as their Nazi conquerors were. They deserved the Soviets.
     
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    This is something that most histories ignore.

    A book I read many years ago talks about this specifically. A family from Vilna, Poland (now Vilnius, Lithuania) where the father (a Jewish engineer) was arrested as "capitalists and enemies of the people", and were all forced to move to a labor camp in Siberia. And about the starvation and deaths on the cattle cars taking them to Siberia, then the death of her family, both in Siberia and back home in Poland.

    The family was lucky, in that they let them return home because her father's skills were needed in rebuilding after the war. But most of the family died during the war, either by the Germans or the Soviets.

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    The Grand Mufti remained Hitler's guest in Berlin throughout WW2. Back in Jerusalem, in 1948 he launched a war to expel the Jews.
     
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    Hitler wanted to remove Jews to Madagascar. It was the Grand Mufti who lobbied for exterminating Jews, and after the war lead the war against Israel in a war of extermination. This forced EVERY Jew in Israel - overwhelmingly outnumbered and with nothing but small arms - to save themselves and win because they knew it was that or they all would be murdered in a genocidal extermination.
     
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    Through many of his statements and writings, it was clear that Hitler's intent early on was just to ship them off somewhere else. The decision to "exterminate" wasn't made until later on towards the end. But Hitler may have had the Grand Mufti's statements in the back of his mind, and later they were given an opportunity to bubble to the surface, and may have influenced how he treated the Jews.

    There may have been a time delay. Sometimes advice we are given can influence us, even if the effect of that advice is not immediate.

    Remember, however, that at the same time there were some Jews earlier on who were actually happy with what Hitler was doing. Even though they knew he wanted to get rid of them they thought they could leverage it as an opportunity for the Germans to create the new state for them in Palestine. (Many of these same Jewish voices were later involved in petitioning Britain to establish the state of Israel, right after the war). It wasn't so easy for Hitler to do that, however, since Germany was allied with the Muslims, and doing something like that could threaten the alliance.
     
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