Netanyahu steps up appeal to French Jews after attacks

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  1. Silver Surfer

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    Is Netanyahu right to call French Jews to leave France for Israel? Should French Jews take him seriously?

    This week's deadly terrorist attacks have again set off a competition between the French and Israeli governments to reassure and secure the affection of France's increasingly nervous Jewish population.

    'COME HOME TO ISRAEL'

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/netanyahu-steps-up-appeal/1583100.html

     
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    Yes

    Probably I will let you know next week as I am going to be with some French Jews later this week.

    It is not a competition. It is about reality. The question remains, why was there no outcry when Jews were being killed regularly in France but now that Charlie Hebdo was attacked there is a world response. That is why Israel is such an important place for Jews.


    'COME HOME TO ISRAEL'

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/netanyahu-steps-up-appeal/1583100.html
     
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    Can we have some links about this regular killing of Jews in France. I know there is concern about growing antisemitism in France but you are right there has been no news of Jews being regularly killed.
     
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    Israel should be home only to Semitic people - be they Jewish, Christian, or Muslim. The French Jews in France are already in their homeland.
     
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    Right....So were the German Jews in 1932.....Or so they thought.
     
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    Leaving France is an idividual decision, Bibi is just a politician reversing what all Jews in the world already know,

    Hollad is also correct; he was even very polite, I would be sharper..., Im glad Bibi didnt embarrasse us more than he already did...
     
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    Explain why Europen Jews have a right to Middle Eastern lands. It's like arguing that Arabs who embrace the Celtic faith have a right to Ireland.

    Only Semitic Jews have a genetic right to Isreal.
     
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    Because we Israelis say so.....and we are not asking for your or anyone's else permission.......no offense.
     
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    Would not the French Jews who wish to leave France be better off going to a safe country not Israel which is a very dangerous place and whose population contains a much higher percentage of dangerous Muslims.

    A case of out of the frying pan into the fire I would of thought.

    The UK is nice and you have no immigration issues to contend with, come on in!
     
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    Simple, the Semitic state of Israel created and recognized by antisemitic UN and most of the world allows legal immigration of semitic jews from anywhere in the world, especially where/when they are subjected to a growing number of antisemitic attacks.
     
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    I like that post. Was thinking a bit the same. ;)

    The French generally like it here.
     
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    I have no issues with Israel as a free democracy. My issue is when non-Semitic Jews claim a birthright to it.
     
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    The Jews coming to Isreal from West Africa, Europe, Central Asia, and even China and India are not Semitic. The Jews who have always lived in and near Israel are Semitic.

    You don't magically become the Semitic race just because you have the same faith as ancient Semities.
     
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    I can understand them being worried though with the likelihood of Front National being the largest party next government and Le Penn being President. My daughter works with a gay French man and he is genuinely worried that it will be safe for him to go back.
     
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    As it should be clear to you from the responses of our Israeli participants, while you are entitled to your personal views and definitions (including your personal definition of who is/isn't semitic) the state of Israel created by the UN for the specific purpose of shielding Jews for antisemitism and recognized by the entire world has its own ideas on who is and who is not entitled be become a citizen. Do you mind?


    PS perhaps when you convince the Jew-hating neo-nazis, white supremacists and islamo-nazis of the world to "accept" non-Israeli jews because in your views they are not semitic, perhaps then we can return to this conversation. Until that if they feel threatened by antisemitic attacks (your definition that they are not semitic notwithstanding) the doors of Israel will remain open to them.
     
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    [h=2]Anti-Semitic Attacks up 400% in UK, Double in France[/h]529 anti-Semitic violent incidents in France in first seven months; 302 in UK in July alone.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/185031#.VLKfgpstG70
     
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    As I said you are absolutely entitled to your own personal concepts, word definitions and views.... The anti-jewish attacks are universally known as antisemitic though, try to work out why.
     
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    well that was because of your murderous activities in Gaza and that is a heavily biased source.

    I did look up a while ago. The biggest complaints were being scared to pick up their children from school for fear of being drawn into an argument and a belief that the Scottish Parliament should not criticise Israel, which it does a lot, because to criticise the only Jewish state was antisemetic which of course is hogwash.

    Our government (Scotland) has been giving our Jews a lot of money so that they can create any infrastructure they want and they like that but think it is just buttering them up and then they will criticise Israel - which they will but I think the money is to let them know they are still welcome. We do not hold what Israel does against our Jews.

    Israel however does not have room for any more Jews. She does not have anywhere to put them. They are European people. We have no history of violent antisemitism in Scotland. Our Protestants chased the blackshirts back to England, mistakenly thinking they were Catholic.

    Israel does not have room. If France is a bit worrying due to Front National we need immigrants. They would have a good time here. Seriously we should look after our own.

    As long as they accept that we are critical of Israel here, they would do fine. Many of our small number of Jews do not bother with that at all. In any case we have a 75% assimilation rate.

    There is no room at the inn in Israel. Europe should look after her own ;)

    Hey I forgot to tell you, our Jews have their own tartan now

    http://www.jewishtartan.com/
     
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    LOL, whatever, you can't have it both ways sunshine, Jews should stay in Europe but hey, who can blame attacks against them in Europe if the ever growing number of Islamofascist as$holes in Europe don't like what Israel is doing and take it out on them.


    They will squeeze in if they have to.... your heart-warming concerns about Jews' comfort in and outside of Israel is of course noted and very much appreciated. Jews are all in tears over your kindness LOL ;)


    Has it ever? Will it ever?
     
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    France doesn't need to worry about Front National.

    The only people who kill innocent French and Jews in France purely for religious reasons are Sunni Radical Muslims. French and Jews have plenty of reasons to worry about Sunni radical Muslims. No one wants their children killed in nurseries or schools by some Wahabi/Takfiri followers.
     
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    If only the Jews decided to create their State where there wasn't already an indignant populace(Palestine). Even though the US did the same thing with Native Americans, the U.S has done much better in terms of its relations.

    A Native American has the right, at any time to live in a U.S City and they have the same entitlement as any other U.S Citizen. And given what the war did to the Natives, they could've easily been a thorn in the U.S Side. But they weren't, because the Mayflower Compact was embedded in our conscious as a sign of relations.

    When the Jews and Palestinians co-exist, maybe they can finally shape their own destiny. Until then, the Jewish really shouldn't have taken Palestine. It was a dick move.
     
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    do white people from Britain have a right to move to the USA?

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    hahaa!!!!

    so you're just playing silly semantic games. :)
     
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    To be serious for a moment I am concerned about the move to the far right in some European countries, France being one. For that Scotland would be one of the safest places as we are not into being far right at all and believe that all the people living in Scotland are Scotland's people.

    Yes, Europe should look after their own. In the same way as my daughter's French friend is not sure he will feel able to go back to France, if some of our countries go mad then as the EU we are also part of the family and should open our doors.

    All this work which has been put in into getting hatred of Muslims going obviously also has the likely offshoot that it will also get antisemitism going - which seems to be the situation in France. Jews and Muslims can also both help each other. I have heard of them talking about that possibly being the way through in France.

    In reality most will not go to Israel. It will not suit them. Most will stay in France and if they want they can come here for a while or to stay.

    Our Jews really do like being Scottish. I think it was Haaretz who interviewed them near the referendum. They said every single one of them considered themselves Scottish not British.

    I would have thought always except leading up to and during WW2.
     
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    France has a lot of anti-Semitism, especially by its Muslim population.
     

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