Never can Iran have a Nuclear Weapon

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    In your eyes?
     
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    I did comment in them. They aren’t science. I posted an article from the AAAS, the world’s largest science organization and representative of the views of of science in every major university in the world. I can repeat these views with hundreds more while you can show us a couple books.
    Science is available free from all the major universities of the world on climate change and the value of IQ scores among many other topics including evolution.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/04/what-does-iq-really-measure
     
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    Not one major university in the entire world uses IQ scores for admission. Neither does the FBI or any govt agency.
    This is like climate change. You’re now thinking you are smarter then every university in the world. Get a grip in reality.
     
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    Yep. Would I make it illegal? Probably not.
     
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    Our never ending lying president told three real big ones today regarding Iran all of them have been thoroughly refuted by his own intelligence employees.
     
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    It’s big news when Trump opens his mouth and doesn’t lie.
     
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    Could be worse...could be under the Obama administration and surrendering US sailors to Iran.
     
  8. chris155au

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    Why not?
     
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    Quite right, they use other measures of ability. And these, by the way correlate very well with IQ scores.
    I repeat, you literally don't know anything about the subject.
    There are indeed people who contest the usefulness of IQ scores. I know you won't want to read anything that doesn't confirm your own views, but here is a book you will find congenial: My copy is called "IQ: How Psychology Hijacked Intelligence" but apparently the American version has a different title. Anyway, you can buy it here. I read it a few years ago and looked through it again last night -- it didn't convince me, but it does have some interesting information.

    Anyway, you haven't taken my test yet: you need to hire a lawyer or doctor, you have a choice of two, the only thing you know about them is that one has an IQ of 85, the other, an IQ of 145. Would that make a difference to your choice?

    Or how about this: we both need a lawyer/doctor, and we both have the choice of these two people. I definitely want the one with an IQ of 145. And you'd be happy with the one with an IQ of 85????
     
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    Okay, I missed that post. Thanks. I'll read it today and comment later.
    No, just read it. I've seen that work and no one I know disagrees with it.
    Yes, OF COURSE IQ isn't everything, and we have to be very cautious even with IQ. You haven't mentioned "stereotype effect", nor the fact that many European countries have seen a modest increase in IQ that seems to be something in addition to the Flynn Effect (which, however, seems to have paused recently).

    I wonder if you have actually read the article: here's the takeaway:
    Quite right.

    That doctor with an IQ of 85 that you chose -- you did choose him, didn't you, and left the 145 fellow to me? -- may also have not been as motivated as my guy with an IQ of 145. (Of course, an unkind person would note that if you know you're not going to do very well on a test, you might well not try very hard.)

    Nonetheless, we both know you would NOT choose someone with an IQ 60 points below another person.
     
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    Or Trump, who’s surrendering the entire nation and election integrity and constitution to Russian interests. No president before has held office as traitor.
     
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    IQ is bogus. You still can’t name one university where IQ is used as an admittance factor. Name one gov. organization that uses IQ as an acceptance factor. You’re arguing against science.....
    Just the idea you’re throwing numbers out there associated with intellect is an affront to medical and behavioral science.
    It says something about people’s own lack of intellect and racial bias when making this rediculous argument. But keep doing it. It makes people much easier to identify and not take seriously.
     
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    So, your defense of Trump is reduced to..”Could be worse.”
    Wow.
     
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    Your problem is that you simply don't know anything about the subject. It's like arguing with a Christian fundamentalist (and not with an Intelligent Design person, since they often know something about the subject). Or a Flat Earther who says that physicists agree that the earth is a pancake.

    I think the Roman Catholic theologians have a term for this phenomenon: "Invincible Ignorance".

    Anyway, the fact that you are afraid to tell us whether you would choose the IQ 85 doctor or lawyer, or the IQ 145 one -- since according to you those scores are meaningless -- shows to anyone who is reading this that you don't believe your own words.

    It's actually astonishing to see someone talking about "medical and behavioral science" who clearly knows zero about these fields. You want to do some reading ... look at the books I linked to. I can tell you would be very uncomfortable reading things that flatly contradicted your views, so start with James Flynn. Unlike some, he's a very fair-minded man, and knows what he's talking about. The Wiki articles on Intelligence, and on IQ, and on the controversies about IQ are also pretty good.
     
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    Laughable. I’m not speaking for myself like you do. I’m just using the sanctioned scientific research. You seem to know a lot more then me about a subject that is founded in unreliability. I can’t be bothered. Are you smarter then every university in the world ?
    Cause I trust them more then your racially biased opinions not founded in fact.
     
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    Okay ... the IQ 85 guy, or the IQ 145 guy?
     
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    I have no interest in considering either..
    With your advanced IQ, you have still managed to avoid answering the question, why no universities or major institutions use IQ scores in admittance and evaluations. Still waiting fir an answer smart guy.
     
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    Freedom of association.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Rather than make hate speech illegal, I would have a government (in the American sense of "government") denounce the people spewing hatred.
     
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    Are you saying what's happening now is worse than the sailors surrendering to Iran under Obama?

    Odd ball, you are
     
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    Yes, I’d say that selling out the US to the highest bidder and being a traitor to the constitution and the rule of law, just to appease his racist base while dissing science and AGW is worse.
    Anyone who defends this president pig is indeed an odd ball. We’re up to how may indictments along with the biggest turnover in cabinet scandals ever ?
    Sailors surrendering to Iran ? Laughable. Little boys and their little toys.
     
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    Iran will get a nuclear weapon, and precisely because of the appeasement of Muslims that began with allowing the Saudi's to steal the American oil fields in the 1950s, and President's Einshower's refusal to back France and Britain during the Suez Canal. The surrender to religious tyranny was and will continue to be inevitable because America lacks the moral confidence necessary to wipe religious tyranny from the face of the universe forever. Until Americans embrace reason and reject faith, religious tyranny will always live.

    Ayn Rand: "I have said that faith and force are corollaries, and that mysticism will always lead to the rule of brutality. The cause of it is contained in the very nature of mysticism. Reason is the only objective means of communication and of understanding among men; when men deal with one another by means of reason, reality is their objective standard and frame of reference. But when men claim to possess supernatural means of knowledge, no persuasion, communication or understanding are possible. Why do we kill wild animals in the jungle? Because no other way of dealing with them is open to us. And that is the state to which mysticism reduces mankind—a state where, in case of disagreement, men have no recourse except to physical violence. And more: no man or mystical elite can hold a whole society subjugated to their arbitrary assertions, edicts and whims, without the use of force. Anyone who resorts to the formula: “It’s so, because I say so,” will have to reach for a gun, sooner or later. Communists, like all materialists, are neo-mystics: it does not matter whether one rejects the mind in favor of revelations or in favor of conditioned reflexes. The basic premise and the results are the same."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/mysticism/10.html
     
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    Americans give up their obsession with religion? Yeah, sure--fat chance of that.
     
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