New ‘mu’ COVID-19 variant now found in 49 US states

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  1. Statistikhengst

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    Lambda has been around since July, mostly in South America, but it is now in Japan.
     
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    Why do people make such ridiculous and unfounded assumpations about "the (fill in any group)"? I am ALL for personal responsibility. Try again, this time with some talent and elbow grease.
     
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    Feel free to enjoy the rest of your life under Democrat control. Nobody stops that.

    Feel free to avoid taking responsibility for being part of the generation that traded America away over basic hygiene during a pandemic.
     
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    Maybe you don't understand how insurance works or why we buy it.
    https://www.thebalance.com/basics-to-help-you-understand-how-insurance-works-4783595

    There. Now you can stop making silly statements. You're welcome.
     
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    I do not see ANY justification for paying the same amount for insurance than some IDIOT who refuses get vaccinated.

    I pay more than those who are younger than am I. The reason for that is historical data that shows I'm more of a health risk.

    And, I'm pointing out to you that refusing to get vaccinated is a self inflicted health risk, and I do not want to pay for that.
     
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    I do not see ANY justification for paying the same amount for insurance than some IDIOT who: literally any risky/unhealthy behavior.
    Too much sugar, alcohol, tobacco. Too little exercise. Habitual speeders. etc etc. Why should I have to pay as much as those idiots??
    The answer, of course, is that is what insurance is for. It spreads individual risk across the insured pool. But please, continue your ranting.
     
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    Puh lease. I'm vaccinated. My personal responsibility was in keeping myself safe. If you don't want to get vaccinated. That's on you. If our health care system can't support the new waves of covid patients we are going to see in the foreseeable future, then expand the healthcare system. but we don't demand other people keep the individual safe. You keep you safe. You have all the tools and the power to do so.

    So do so.
     
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    You don't have to pay as much for insurance as those with a record of risky driving behavior.

    For the others, it's not as simple to determine as is whether you got vaccinated or not - a binary decision that is recorded.
     
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    This is the aim of the vaccine. We all know that the virus mutates. The goal was to safeguard as many people as possible until a variant arises that is not considered to be serious enough to effect our general lives. Just hope that the more serious variants die off
     
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    On part of this, we are more in agreement than you may realize, for I am all for personal responsibility. That being said, how do you plan to expand the healthcare system when the front line workers, who have been battling this thing for more than 18 months straight, are getting burnt out? It's one thing to assume that no harm is done when others don't assume personal responsibility and it's one thing to think there is no harm when they get infected or infect others, but in real life, there is real and serious harm. No man is an island for himself alone, ever.

    Do you see the content of this picture? :

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    That's a soldier carrying a heavy donkey on his shoulders? Why? Because they are crossing a minefield and donkeys don't know how to avoid stepping on a mine, ergo, the soldier must carry the donkey so that the entire platoon doesn't get blown up by mines.

    And so it has been with Covid-19 the entire time: we have ended up having to carry stupid-assed people on our shoulders the entire time because they don't believe in Covid-19 or they want a free ride. And at some point in time, we reasonable people get sick and tired of having to carry such jackasses on our shoulders, because they know what they need to do, they just aren't doing it.

    So, we can go the libertarian route and say what the hell, everyone for himself and we can be proud we said that while the entire ship is sinking, or we can patch the holes and throw the troublemakers overboard so that the ****ing ship doesn't sink. That TOO is personal responsibility: to a higher cause.

    So, for the ****ing idiots out there who STILL, after so many months, don't want to get vaccinated, I say: get the **** off our community ship. And stay away from hospitals when you get sick and are dying from Covid-19.

    Because this is not a game. It's not left or right. It's real and a matter of life and death.

    Thank you for attending my TED-talk on common sense.
     
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    Covid is endemic even in places where they imprison people for having gone outside or tried to escape from secured, "Covid hotels"

    no measure was going to stop an engineered virus from spreading. It's going to be up to our immune system to protect us as well as seasonal booster shots for the most vulnerable

    We will never be told the truth of the origin but masking up the rest of our lives will solve nothing
     
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    Expanding health care should be already in the works considering all the ****ing illegal immigration the dumb ass administration is letting in and flooding through the population. Or was the plan to just expand the population through migration without expanding healthcare? Sounds like something liberals would do.

    But if you hire more front line workers...the current ones wouldn't get burnt out because the shifts would be shorter. Do what you have to do to expand. But expansion needs to happen. It needed to happen regardless with Biden's dumb ass democratic voter expansion. (sorry meant migration)

    But we do NOT discriminate and we do not go full authoritarian. A person has a right to not inject something in their body that they do not want. And I would die on that hill. And I say that as someone who's double vacc'd.
     
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    Where is your proof that this virus was engineered?
     
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    Ok, now we are getting somewhere and at least you are willing to engage and listen. I think I may have misjudged you, that there is good stuff to be gleaned from an honest discussion with you. I apologize to you, here and now, in public, for having been harsh with you at the onset a number of weeks back. I hope you will accept my apology.

    I am not sure how expanding health care can be tied in with any form of immigration, legal or illegal. And just for the record, I am starkly against illegal immigration. On this point, former Pres. Trump was right that we are either a land of laws, or we are not. We could go much deeper into this at another point in time, if you wish.

    As for how you describe expanding health care, that still means more trained HC workers and that takes time. You can't hire them if they are not fully trained yet.

    I understand your decision to respect a person not doing something that could save his or her life, but what about the rest of us? That person is endangering not just himself, but rather, others. The collateral damage caused by irresponsible people cannot be underestimated. Do you also respect an athletes right to refuse medical assistance even if he is lying on a sports field somewhere, bleeding out?

    My point is that this is not just a black-white, cut-and-dried issue. It is more complex than that and decidedly more dangerous, imo.

    The entire schlamazel with this thing started the moment it became purely political instead of remaining a medical issue.

    It was nice to hear from you.
     
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    do your own research and SHOW US that it originated in a wet market and jumped directly from monkey to human. Then, also research the gain of function going on in Wuhan labs.

    Nobody has a clue how Covid is going to "behave" because it's not natural. That doesn't change the reality that we're in but a little honesty about origination might make people take a few more precautions
     
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    The individual who wants to be protected gets vaccinated. Wears masks...elects to social distance or not go out. It has nothing to do with anyone else. You could make an argument that health care is being over run by those who wish to not get vaccinated but then we go back to "expand health care" Which should have been something planned on already since this current administration is absolutely hell bent on flooding in illegal immigrants and expanding population.

    The reality is covid isn't going anywhere. It's going to mutate. We are going to need updated booster shots periodically. And we will have a wave of people getting sick during "covid season". Instead of shutting down the economy and paying people to stay home, we give advice in how to stay safe, promote the vaccines and expand health care to have specific covid clinics. Yes. People need to be trained. Expand training. This is our new reality. Time to face up to it and hit it dead on.

    And you don't need to apologize to me. I enjoy snarky banter. I don't take any of this personal.
     
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    Gain of Function research is carried out in every major country in the world carrying biological research irrespective of what any government says

    What makes C19 virus unique compared to previous strains to make it not natural?
     
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    Quote; I am ALL for personal responsibility

    ME TOO!

    Trump; “We are at war against an invisible enemy”, and during wartime, there are two CONSERVATIVE BELIEFS that contradict each other;

    a. Personal/Individual Responsibility
    b. Freedom to Choose

    Example; WW2 Enforced Blackouts/PUBLIC SAFETY

    a. Personal/Individual Responsibility......When you hear the Siren, LIGHTS OFF!

    b. Freedom to Choose; an idiot heard the Siren, however, kept his lights on because he wanted to read his newspaper, thus, endangering his life, and his Neighbor’s life.

    Attention Self-acclaimed Christians;

    Leviticus 19:16.....YOU SHALL NOT ENDANGER YOUR NEIGHBOR’S LIFE.
     
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    INDEED
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!

    NOTHING zeroes out credibility more effectively than CONSPIRACY twaddle.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    Exactly how much "personal responsibility" has the RIGHT taken when it comes to the Big Lie, the Domestic Terrorist INSURRECTION attempt on Jan 6th, the SPREADING of the virus because they REFUSE to wear masks and/or have vaccinations, etc, etc, etc?

    Hard to POINT a FINGER without THREE fingers pointing right back at yourself.

    :roflol:
     
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    :applause:
     
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    In addition to the above, I live in a county where most old folks stay in their homes until they die, and children always took care of their aging parents.

    Thus, in my Conservative community, Covid19 Personal responsibility is A MUST.
     
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    If you and the rest are "keeping yourself safe", then why in hell are so many injected taking sick?

    If you have "kept yourself safe", why in hell are Biden and Harris so worried about "protecting the vaccinated" in their latest rants?
     
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    Our full on campaign of hate and blame against China and those of Asian background makes it pretty hard for us to turn around and suggest to China that NOW we would like an open and honest investigation.

    We dumped our connection with WHO, because we can't even get along with science and first world nations.

    We have had leaders that just flat out blame China for having an organism that survives in that country!!

    So, NOW you want an investigation!! Yet you STILL make absolutist statements for which there is no proof of any kind.

    LOL.
     
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