New Asian American Muppet prompts CPAC president to call for defunding PBS

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  1. Jolly Penguin

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    Humans have race. You can’t avoid that. Puppets can be frogs, dogs, pigs, big birds, whatever.

    One of the reasons they used these animals instead of white humanoid muppets initially was because they wanted people, all people, to be able to relate to them. If a kid can’t relate to Kermit or Gonzo or Grover because the kid isn’t white, that’s the racist left at work there, not the racist right.
     
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    Depends on how much they are being bombarded with “woke” or white supremacy racism. I have seen multiple children’s books that focus on race. I hope Sesame Street doesn’t go that way.
     
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    Well tis a DNC world... Remember the syrup lady and old Uncle Ben, and the sports teams, OH and the statues, and the Dr. Suess books you know just about everything stupid you can think about ;)
     
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    But you see, that’s all inconsequential. It’s just old children books and it’s only a sports team or an old brand or statue. No one really “cares”. Just let it go.

    They don’t understand how strategic it all is. It’s about testing the waters. How much can they get away with? How much can they push?

    It’s ONLY safe spaces where white people aren’t welcome. Not a big deal. It’s only a few jobs here and there where white people or men aren’t allowed to have. Let’s not ignore the fact that the people given these Diversity Center jobs in corporations and universities actually heavily influence who is allowed to have other jobs. But it’s no big deal. Keep looking there other way. And ignore how police are just letting people go if they’re black and commit crimes. They’re just little crimes. Small riots in stores. No big deal. Don’t worry.

    Yeah. Keep thinking how all the little things don’t matter. But they do. And that’s the point. All the little things are building up and we’re watching the fabric of the country being torn apart little by little and it’s hard to comprehend what the end goal is? Do these white liberals want us to become 3rd world because all their policy and everything they stand for all points in one direction. They’re delusional to think they can create an Swiss-like or Netherlands-like society here but forget one huge factor. There is no diversity in those countries. And what allows those societies to function as they do is specifically due to a lack of diversity. Forced and manufactured Diversity is killing us because it’s not natural. We’re not allowing the best to rise. We’re manipulating the system so that those who really don’t deserve it are being given power and they’re corrupting that power.
    Those that actually do earn their way up are being silenced or they just stay out of it. It’s a mistake.
     
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  5. dairyair

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    Lol. You can't be serious.
     
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    So you have issues with American Asians?
    They are tearing the fabric of America apart?

    What fabric is that specifically?

    Who the hell want a Swiss like system here?
     
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    I'm quite serious. There are children's books pushed by the "woke" and others pushed by white supremacists that push race on very young children. Let's hope Sesame Street doesn't head in that direction. There is absolutely no reason for a children's show to highlight race whatsoever. There is a good reason why muppets are mostly animals or monsters, as everyone relates to them regardless of race. And if a kid can't relate to them because they aren't their race.... that's a victim of racism right there.
     
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    Mr Rodgers addressed racial issues.

    https://www.today.com/popculture/how-mister-rogers-pool-moment-broke-race-barriers-t183635
     
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    What exactly do you mean, push race?
     
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    I mean don't push race. Don't push the idea that we are fundamentally different because of skin colour or who our ancient ancestors were. Don't push people, and especially don't push children to think that matters and is any reason to divide or categorize people in society.

    Again, if a child feels that they can't relate to a green frog or a purple Grover or an orange Ernie because they aren't white, and they need a muppet their own race so they can identify with them, that child has had race pushed very hard on them to think that way.
     
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    When the show was new they had more white humans.
    There were 2 men who I, age 8, surmised were the adult equivalent to Bert and Ernie, maybe the men who gave the voices or pulled the strings. They did dumb things.
    Then there was the whiten graffiti artist, trying to paint numbers on private and public property. He became the Jeffersons neighbor.
    Then there was the clumsy caterer, always falling down as he carried things.
    Later they introduced the Noodle family: Mr Noodle, his brother Mr. Noodle and their sister Miss Noodle (Kristen Chynoweth). They were dumb and hard of hearing.
    So white culture is dumb and clumsy and criminal.
     
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    They couldn't go with slanty eyes, because the the usual perpetually-offended suspects would've decried it as racist, and so the puppet looks like a Caucasian kid, and you wouldn't know it was supposed to be Asian unless you were told.

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    Nothing is being pushed like you say.
    Adding another character who is different just shows that there are all kinds of people out in the world and they may look different from other people out there in the world. But are still the same as them and everyone else.
    It's not about showing a fundamental difference, but a fundamental show of being the same.
    It's not to divide, it's to unite.

    Nothing is being pushed. Little kids don't even know. It's the grownups who are having an issue.
    In particular per the OP, A CPAC president.
     
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    I was responding to the line posted earlier in the thread that this racialized muppet was added so people can identify with them and feel represented and included. Thinking showing a muppet that is their race does that and it otherwise doesn't happen shows a major hangup called by race pushing.

    It never occurred to me that I should not be able to identify with Kermit or Gonzo or Big Bird because I am not white. If that is now a thing for kids, race is being pushed very hard on them.
     
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    That's also a good point. If you want to depict an Asian person, it should not be taboo to draw almond shaped eyes like mine.
     
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    Kids at that age are not even aware of race. So it's not being pushed on them.
    It's recognizing different looking people are no different than others, except in looks. It's not a big deal except to some adults.

    Would you be upset if Sesame street were to include a character in a wheel chair also?
     
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    It's an American Asian. Perhaps the eyes are of an American parent. But eyes now concern you?
     
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    So you are agreeing with my point.
     
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    I've said throughout that kids that age are not aware of race.
    And this character has no impact on them. It's the adults, CPAC president in particular, that have the issue.
     
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    Yes, and one of those issues is this claim I was addressing (not made by you) that kids can't identify with muppets as they are, so we need to add new ones with particular races so they feel they can identify.
     

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