New Details Emerge About Coronavirus Research at Chinese Lab

If you can't read my posts, that's not on me.

And, you're getting confused here. Our government, as headed by Trump, absolutely DID blame China. And, that was spread across America in such a strong way that it resulted in US citizens assaulting people for looking Asian.

The government of China refused to allow scientists from Wuhan to be interviewed in private with the international investigation team sent to China to help figure out what happened.

Your "nice to them" is just silly. They are going to react defensively when our approach is to assault them throughout our media.

?? I'm assuming you are aware that China was infected, too - in fact first. Suggesting that those there have no interest is a seriously ridiculous assumption.

That doesn't even make sense.

If we need honesty from China, one way to get it is to be working with them rather than lobbing unfounded accusations across the Pacific. This is a world wide issue. Remember that the US has struggled with that concept - as demonstrated by our official attitude toward China, our exit from WHO, our attempts to capture vaccine production for the US alone, etc.

And, if there are changes that need to be made, concerning the cold chain, the markets, their homeopathy direction, early detection, notification process, etc., we will make more progress by working with them on that, too.

 

If I didn’t read your posts I wouldn’t be able to comment on them by paragraph.

I am not confused. YOU said this to ME.

I have not blamed China and have asked you to quote me doing so since you made the accusation. Now you are saying I’m confused because Trump did a thing you accused ME of. That is fallacious argument. I am not Trump. Please no more strawman arguments from you. Back up your claim I blamed China

Sure. As I pointed out they started lying about human to human transmission before anyone tweeted about “Chinese virus” or looked crosseyed at an Asian American. Why would they stop lying at any point after that no matter how we treated them?

No. The WHO has played patty cake with China for years. They didn’t/can’t get information out of China either. This is a country that kills its own citizens and steals intellectual property hand over fist. You say they want to share information and make changes so pandemics stop originating there, but there is no evidence of that. Quite the opposite in fact.

If I wasn’t aware why would I go into detail of how they lied about human to human transmission? If I wasn’t aware why would I post reams of information on pangolin and bat viruses from the area the outbreak appears to have come from? If I wasn’t aware why would I have pointed out this isn’t the first pandemic to come from China?

I have pointed out they lied about transmission. I pointed out they vaccinated high risk people LAST. I pointed out their lab containment of pathogens stinks and has for decades. I pointed out their vaccines are inferior.

By their actions they show this is not a big deal to them. In fact, I’ve shown in other threads how they could benefit a great deal domestically from this pandemic.

It probably never will make sense to you. You have been living on a steady diet of disinformation on Covid. Factual information doesn’t jive with your incorrect opinions formed on that disinformation. You are in the position of a kid who’s taught 2+2=5 and then asked to understand that 4+4=8. You are both confused by the disinformation.

Can you provide evidence these issues with the WHO, supposed vaccine production capture, and “attitude” predated China lying about human transmission?

Like working with them on trade benefitted the intellectual property rights of American business? Like the WHO “working with them” gave the WHO access to Covid information and a reform in food hygiene, notification process, etc.? I think we need to be a bit pragmatic and base our decisions on evidence, not rainbows and unicorns.

 

You said, "So we need the expertise of the Chinese? The ones who were responsible for the last outbreak and death of SARS1"

And, I'm saying that the position of the USA was to accuse China of fostering or even creating this disease and doing so to such an extent that violence against Asians in America spiked.

You want to crap on WHO, but the fact is that they got the very best information that we have. Obviously, it's not good enough, but that mission was designed to be first steps, not final edition.

Your ad hom is pretty darn silly. But, maybe that's all you have in THAT department, too.

 

Yes I did. That is a fact. Stating facts is not blaming them for a pandemic.

After China lied about the disease and failed to warn others. You somehow believe giving China a pass for all the documented lies, missteps, and obfuscations will make them honest and cooperative.

The WHO is still recommending against quality masks. Even our inept CDC finally stopped doing that. The WHO deserves any crap it gets. In this area specifically the WHO found out we can’t identify an intermediate host. And that China was misleading us on origin of community transmission. That’s about it.

You think pointing out disinformation is ad hominem? It isn’t your fault you have been given disinformation. You can however reject it. That’s up to you.

 

You do NOT know that anyone is to blame for this pandemic. Yet you claimed that there ARE people to blame for this pandemic.

WHO is the only investigatory body and they say their multinational investigation does NOT result in any claim that there was a fault in this virus moving into the human genome.

I don't give them a pass for not communicating their findings adequately.

But, that is not causative.

Plus, anyone who claims that Trump and the USA or other countries would have responded earlier if notified of the weaker, earlier results, and thereby effectively dodging this pandemic is just plain full of BS. Faced with FULL information we STILL TOTALLY FAILED to take action that had a chance of preventing this world wide pandemic.

WHO absolutely does recommend quality masks.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

 

Quote me. If you don’t quote me saying I blame someone for this pandemic I will be forced to accept your concession on this point. I have recited facts. I have blamed nobody.

What fault? My only reference to this virus being or not being a product of natural reassortment was to point out all the “experts” lied to you when they said it wasn’t possible for this virus to be manipulated or engineered. I was VERY clear I never claimed this virus is engineered.

You don’t want to criticize them. If we aren’t clear we disapprove of that behavior we are giving them a pass.

What isn’t causative?

Again, I am not Trump. I would have benefitted from more honesty from China. I figured out in mid February where this was headed. I could have been even better prepared if I had more complete information. I really don’t care about government. They will bollocks everything anyway. Information is useful only to people who will take action. As you say, Trump didn’t and neither did Democratic leadership. The partisanship angle has no interest for me because I figured out years ago neither side cares about me. YOU could have dodged the pandemic as I did if you had better information.

LOL. I watched those videos the other day when the CDC stopped recommending AGAINST good masks. The WHO is still recommending against good masks for the general public. Watch your videos in your link. The WHO is still recommending against high quality masks some European countries mandated months ago.