New Resolution submitted at AIA National Convention

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  1. Bob0627

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    97 Architects Submit Resolution to be Voted on at AIA National Convention

    Resolution 16-3 - Investigation of the Total Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7
    Sponsors - Daniel Barnum, FAIA and Fifty Members of the Institute
    Intent - To adopt a Position Statement in support of a new investigation into the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001.

    (Selected) Text of Resolution

    WHEREAS, according to the AIA Public Policies and Position Statements, architects are professionally obligated to use their knowledge, skill, and experience to engage in civic life; and

    WHEREAS, World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7), a 47-story, steel-framed high-rise building, suffered a total collapse at 5:20 PM on the afternoon of September 11, 2001; and

    WHEREAS, the cause of the collapse of WTC 7 has become the subject of vigorous public debate, such that establishing the true cause of the collapse of WTC 7 is of great civic importance; and

    WHEREAS, prior to and since September 11, 2001, no steel-framed high-rise building has ever suffered a total collapse, except buildings demolished through the procedure known as controlled demolition; and

    WHEREAS, the collapse of WTC 7 exemplified many of the signature features of controlled demolition, including:

    Read the rest (Resolution begins at page 38 of the PDF, page 36 of the document) ...

    http://www.aia.org/aiaucmp/groups/aia/documents/pdf/aiab108469.pdf

    Voting will take place May 21, 2016

    It is unlikely that it will pass but maybe the wide open 28 pages issue raised public awareness recently that something is rotten in DC. So if nothing more, it will expose additional AIA members to a hell of a lot more information that most are probably unaware of. A majority of people are still currently unaware WTC7 was even destroyed on 9/11.
     
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    So they're going to try this one again? How's the petition going?
     
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    Obviously. Is it a problem for you?

    From the above, it doesn't sound like you're really interested. I'm sure you know where to look for that information. As posted from the PDF: Voting will take place May 21, 2016
     
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    If it keeps the AIA happy and gives then something to do, then go for it.
     
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    I doubt this is going to make AIA "happy", some of the members have government contracts and I would guess they would rather keep this as quiet as possible.
     
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    The AIA will dismiss it again as absurd, as they have on previous occasions and it has nothing to do with government contracts as Bob invented; it has to do with the reasoning behind the claims. As their claims are half-baked, they will be dismissed as usual, and 9/11 truth will cry like the last time.
     
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    The tone of your post gives it away.

    I agree, the status quo must be maintained for personal financial reasons.

    [personal insult ignored]

    You're welcome. Do you believe I should not participate in a discussion in a thread I created? (the tone give that away too)
     
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    The AIA didn't dismiss it the first time and they won't dismiss it this time either. It's a resolution that will be VOTED on by the members, it will either pass or it won't. If they wanted to dismiss it as "absurd" it wouldn't be on the AIA Convention agenda in the first place, it would have already been dismissed as "absurd".

    The former is not an "invention" it is my opinion and there nothing "invention" about architects working under government contracts, it's a fact. And the latter is your opinion which has nothing to do with anything except your opinion. However please feel free to post a link to any legitimate quote (or preferably more than one) from anyone who voted against the last resolution because he/she found it to be "absurd".

    Once again it sounds like you're worried about this. However, seeing as the petition was submitted by 97 professional architects, all of whom are AIA members who have reputations to maintain and all of them believe the petition to be correct in wording and content and you, as an internet jockey armed with a keyboard and an opinion believes it to be "half-baked", an intelligent person would have to weigh whether 97 architects would present a legitimate petition for an INVESTIGATION or a "half-baked" one because you pronounced it as such. "9/11 truth" is a created fiction and fictions don't cry last I checked. At the end of the day, all the resolution calls for is a legitimate investigation, nothing more. Why would you have such a problem with this to the point where it seems you're crying about it? Why do you have a problem with a legitimate investigation into the collapse of the 3 buildings on 9/11?
     
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    Let's be real here, the tone you project gives it away. You can't stop being objectionable.

    I never mentioned anything regarding that. The AIA will dismiss it as ridiculous.

    No, I noted how helpful you were in supplying sources as asked. Did you not get that?
     
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    Yeah, it didn't get through. You can chrome plate this turd all you like.

    I understand how it works, and it will probably be dismissed like the last time.

    It's was an obvious attempt to poison the well and besmirch the organisation. There is no other reason to mention it. You imply that it will direct the decision making process which is an assumption and an invention.

    No, some members stated it was absurd. See the relevant thread on ISF.

    I'm not crying about anything. Can't you read? Please stop lying, projecting, inventing, obfuscating, misrepresenting and cherry picking my posts. The claim will be dismissed for the vacuous garbage it is, just like the last time. But go for it, Bob. I'm really not at all that concerned with this nonsense, as you invent.

    You are flaming and baiting Bob. Please stop.
     
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    Money drives people to do all sorts of things, no organization is immune. IMO, it's why no organization wants to support a legitimate investigation into 9/11, it would be professional and financial suicide.

    The other reason that you pretend to fail to see is the reality of how things work in life. Let's not pretend naivete.

    It's an opinion based on reality. I've been around the block more than I want to be and understand quite well how easily money corrupts one's decision making process.

    I don't know what ISF is. It doesn't matter, I would expect that some stated it was "absurd" for the above reasons anyway. No one is going to admit that passing it might jeopardize the organization and their career as a result.

    It sounds more like you are but that's ok, I expect it with every post.
     
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    But your speculative imaginings were designed to besmirch the organisation.

    I'm not 'pretending' anything. Ad hom noted. What I'm not doing is jumping to conclusions in order to besmirch an organisation. That would be mendacious.

    So it's an assumption based upon prejudice. Got it.

    It is a skeptic site that dissects outrageous and extraordinary claims. It is populated with experts, sceptics, engineers, ATC's, test pilots and Air Crash investigators.

    That is an assumption of no merit.

    I have no doubt you'd interpret it in such a fashion, albeit a false projection as usual.
     
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    So it's worthless, thanks for the heads up.
     
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    why is it worthless Bob? ... because it doesn't agree with your anti government confirmation bias? ... you want "us" to accept your sources as credible but refuse to hear opposing arguments? ... very disingenuous Bobby ...
     
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    You're right it may not be worthless to me. Are there any threads where they dissected outrageous and extraordinary claims such as the OCT? Let me know and I'll sign up ASAP.

    I'm not anti-government, I'm anti-this government. It's not a legitimate government operating within the confines of the Constitution.

    Who is "us"? If you mean YOU but pretend you speak for everyone, absolutely not, who told you that? I don't care what YOU accept or not. Everything I post is meant for those who care about what I post.

    Who said that? You? Because I'm not interested in a forum where they pray to the OCT and reject everything else, are you serious? I've read through more self professed "debunking" sites than I wanted to, NOT INTERESTED, it has zero to do with 9/11 and everything to do with propaganda.

    Good. You no like? Ask me if I care.
     
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    The site deals in facts and probabilities, not hare brained stories. For the individual predisposed to finding the truth of the matter, there is a wealth of factual information.

    It would be useless to you as it is not a propaganda site and it doesn't disseminate lies and libel.

    - - - Updated - - -

    It's the truther way Maud'dib. They always ignore, or dismiss the material that conflicts with their confirmation bias.
     
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    Wow. :eyepopping:
     
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    Thanks enjoy it.
     
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    I will use it, I don't know about enjoy, but I will use it to destroy your myths and lies. I do, however, take great pleasure in slamming your half-baked tales, and the mail makes it all worthwhile.
     
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    Knock yourself out.
     
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    Since we're talking about it, I'd just like to mention that I've never been anti government per se. A government is just a group of people whose task is to administrate certain tasks, many of them vital (law enforcement, health care, roads, fire departments to name a few). That being said, I think the last really good president the U.S. had was indeed JFK. If only Bernie Sanders could win, I think he'd be even better.
     
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    Maybe but I would take my chances with Bernie over the rest of the clowns and the one criminal.
     
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    I found this hilarious. The International Skeptics wished to place a booth next to Gage's at the convention, this was the reply (paraphrased by the author):

    "I just had a conversation with an AIA representative, and got some good, welcome info on their relationship with AE911T, and more feedback on why my request was denied while they let Gage exhibit.

    Highlights:

    The reason that they invited Gage, et al, into the convention is that they had previously made a royal pain in the ass of themselves at earlier conventions by hawking their wares on the sidewalk outside of the convention, and annoying the other AIA conventioneers.

    The convention reps asked them, politely, to stop with their sidewalk theater. We all can guess exactly how far "polite" got them with Gage.

    Since the sidewalk is public property, they were unable to take any action to get him to stop.

    Inviting them inside, and asking them to "play by the rules", gave the convention a way to finesse the issue. It was the best option in a bad situation.
    In the meeting at which Gage put forth his new petition, he was received about as warmly as if he had presented his petition to a panel of IS skeptics here.

    The convention floor is a place for exhibitors & manufacturers to show their wares, new technologies, etc. to architects. The reason that they declined my request for a booth was that I didn't fit into that category.

    Gage also doesn't fit into that category, but as mentioned above, he was brought in for "unique" reasons.

    AIA has no use whatsoever for Gage & his message. They are not in the slightest ambivalent about, or welcoming of, his nonsense.

    AIA has someone in their organization that does keep an eye on Gage, his claims & antics. Freedom of speech does put a serious cap on what actions they can take, however.

    That about covers the conversation.


    Furthermore, the petition has closed with under 2,000 signatures, and Gage has been forced to remove the AIA logo from his site.
     

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