New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars

I got nothing to add here.

 

That's kind of like saying there are transportation losses for moving gasoline from the refinery isn't it?

 

No, the efficiency loses from converting fossil fuels into electricity, rather than directly into a motor, are much higher.

Look, in a conventional engine, fossil fuels are burned to drive a motor.
In this electric car scheme, it's a similar thing, except now that motor is being used to drive an electric generator, which is then being stepped up in a transformer, which is then being transmitted over a long distance through wires (electrical losses there), which is then charging a battery (additional energy loses there) and finally powering an electric motor.

 

Sounds a little like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic doesn't it?

 

That gets lost in the weeds when you consider the car itself is about three time more efficient.

 

The more I read the posts in this forum, the more I become convinced that many (most) of the arguments held by Progressives are based on pure ignorance.

Maybe we just don't have very high caliber Progressives in this forum and so that view is biased.

 

Tesla generation plant

 

Nah............the cream of the crop is here. What does that tell you?

 

Bottom line using $ math.
280 miles in a Tesla $10
280 miles in a Corvette $30

BTW It takes about 6 KW to refine a gallon of gas.

 

Must I add not of this is green tech you need plastics (oil), rare Earth minerals (need to mine it using oil, and it is often strip mining), acids and to power it most of that power is generated by coal and natural gas around 68%. So where is the environmental benefit if you went to horse and buggy it would be a lot greener, or using mass transportation in good numbers or walking or riding a bike and even driving a fuel efficient modern gas powered car over this tech.

 

Another hair-brained idea from the Greenies:
Biodiesel Palm Oil - How good intentions had disasterous consequences

 

If you think an electric car is cheaper, then by all means, go buy one.

 

If electric cars are only just a little bit more expensive than conventional cars, and renewable energy were only a little bit more expensive than conventional power plants, then a 10% subsidy from the government on electric cars and renewable energy sources should completely solve the problem, right?

Greenies know this isn't true though, which is why what they attempt to impose goes far beyond just a moderate subsidy.

 

Are you stuck in the 50's?
People switch to solar because it has about a 6 year payback.
The car companies are on their way to electric.
Did I mention they are green?

 

Doubtful it's a 6 year payback.

But I'm sure Greenies jacking up the electric rates sky high helps it "pay back" faster.

 

Good, then we can yank away all those government subsidies.
And the state of California can get rid of their electric car mandate on dealers.

 

Or how much of the earth we'd have to dig up obtaining the metals

 

1. Electric cars are only as clean as the grid is.

2. Everyone forgets about the waste from rare earth minerals and battery acid.

3. Production of EVs is a very carbon centered endeavour.


In future they will be better. Once the grid is mostly nuclear (lets hope) that'll fix the first issue.

We need better tech for energy storage than centuries old acid electrolysis. Who knows when this will happen.

Rare earth minerals are unavoidable, but still preferable to pollution in the atmosphere if stored properly.

 

It looks to me like they are actually bringing back hotrods, not going away from it.

 

EV's are a work in progress, they have to start somewhere, but yes, battery technology has a way to go, but it will not advance without early adopters... that said, I will stick with gas, let the early adopters find and fix the bugs

EV's will be the future, as soon as battery technology catches up, when that time comes, even I will buy one

 

If one lives in the community my son lives in, where his electric bill is a small fraction of what his was here in CA, then one may want electric. But he is blessed with a 400 hp Dodge Ram 1500 PU and loves smashing the pedal to the metal. This PU has to satisfy him almost as much as his red hot Camaro did. That was stolen from his driveway here in CA by blacks. Truly broke his heart. We chatted about it this Tuesday evening.

 

You can now buy a Jeep that has 1100 horsepower. It hits 132 mph in 1/4 mile. Driving it they say has a real thrill.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news...012-hp-jeep-trackhawk-0-60-mph-in-2-8-seconds

 

What do you think will improve the present battery as used in EV cars? I think they are at their limit.

 

Not to squash on your game of pretending progressives are too slow to keep with you, but solar is more than just solar panels. Building design that takes advantage of the sun is also solar. When I lived in Colorado, where the sun shines just about everyday, my house was designed and situated as to absorb the daytime sun and keep my home warm all night. And I lived high in the Rockies. It was mostly passive with only a couple of fans to circulate the air.

 

Electricity is one of the fundamental forces of nature. What this means is that no matter your energy source, it can always be converted into electricity. It opens up unlimited opportunities. Unlike gasoline.