New Study Finds Transgender Athletes Have Advantages In Women's Sports

Of course we needed a major study to figure this out.

New Study Finds Transgender Athletes Have Advantages In Women's Sports, Even After 12 Months Of Hormone Therapy

Biological males who identify as transgender women are likely to retain strength advantages over biological females, even after undergoing 12 months of hormone therapy, according to a new study out of Sweden.

The researchers who carried out the study found that biological males who underwent 12 months of hormone therapy lost muscle mass in their legs, but still retained leg strength.

"Our results indicate that after 12 months of hormonal therapy, a transwoman will still likely have performance benefits over a cis-woman," they concluded.

Researchers with the Karolinska Institute and Linkoping University, a state university in Sweden, carried out the study, which is awaiting the peer review process.

The study, a preprint version of which was posted online is just the latest scientific indication that female athletes are at a disadvantage when forced to compete against males who identify as transgender women.

A paper published in the Journal of Medical Ethics in June found that male athletes who identify as transgender women have an "intolerable" advantage over their female competitors, even after suppressing testosterone levels.​

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You know what I think? Maybe we should go back to being like the ancient Greeks where women did not have their own special venues to compete in sports.

Does anyone think we should have special sprinting competitions where Black people should be excluded because they have an unfair biological advantage?
No, of course not, that would be silly. The fact simply is that athletes from Jamaica and Kenya totally dominate international sprinting competitions. That's just how things are. We don't set up segregated venues just so others can "fairly" compete.
Maybe it should be the same thing with women. Why do they think they should get to have special competitions where they can exclude men? If they're not the fastest runner, then they're not the fastest runner.
And what we've seen happening in the latest female sports competitions is that female athletes from Africa with abnormally high testosterone levels (not that uncommon among women in Africa) are dominating the competition. In many cases their body types almost look like a man, and other women are complaining.
Well, that's just how nature is. You want fair international competitions, you can't exclude certain groups of people just because they happen to be better naturally endowed and gifted by nature.

 

NO WAY!!! shocking!!

 

I can't believe anything or studies on transgender until they come clean on it being a mental illness. I'm not making a judgement on the individuals but rather on a society that fails to admit it is abnormal behavior.

 

The scientists which made those studies were probably transphobic.
The solution is obviously more transgender in sports.

 

This is a shining (and humorous) example of going to the extremes to prove the obvious.

 

Anyone remember that scene with Miss Mann from Scary Movie?



"Well Cindy, we all have our little secrets... Sometimes we do things we're not so proud of. Some for money, others to gain the athletic edge on the competition. Sometimes those secrets come back to haunt us. Do you know what I mean?"

 

As usual, heterosexual women are getting screwed (no pun intended).

Whereas supporters of equality want proper acknowledgement, feminists - on the other hand - are not interested in "equality". They want dominance. That means that in women's sports lesbians have the upper hand. As a man, it doesn't affect me other than my sympathy. But now transgenders are taking over women's sports so that even the lesbians are going to suffer. That doesn't bother me either except that it amuses me watching feminists getting their comeuppance. So now people are scuttling about trying to find a solution .... a just one ... but there is none in sight. The only solution is to dissolve men's & women's sport altogether and let it be a free-for-all with men, women and whatever competing on equal terms. True, heterosexual women will continue to get screwed but so will the feminist-lesbians and the trans population as well. What I am saying is that I feel sorry for women in sports because what began as a fair deal for women to compete on their own terms has turned into feminist-lesbian bullying of what I call "real women". So as long as "real women" are going to get the shaft then I prefer to see feminist get it doubly.

 

related video about that here

 

Trans rights > Womens rights

 

Apparently, yes.

 

Exactly how did you come to this conclusion? I understand how the trans woman issue works, and indeed many in the trans community agree that this disadvantage to cis women is a problem. But there is no physical difference between gay and straight cis women to give gay women an advantage.

And why not? Group people accordingly as they do in boxing and some other sports. At that point some classes will be dominanted by females, others by males. The ones in the middle will have various mixes.

 

"Physical difference"? Do high testosterone levels qualify as "physical" attributes?

Its no problem for me as women's sports do not interest me anyway. You ought to put your question to heterosexual women who are being pushed out of professional sports or maybe you should ask the feminist lesbians who have been dominating women's sports but are losing out rapidly to transsexuals.

 

Homosexual cis women have no more of a high testosterone levels on average than heterosexual cis women do. You seem to be conflating aspects of trans women with lesbians.

I think you missed my point. Boxing is divided up into different classes, before we even look at women's boxing as a separate thing. Why is that and how are those classes determined?

 

I am saying that testosterone levels are higher in men than in women but I am also saying that those levels are somewhere between the two in lesbian athletes. My assumption is that testosterone levels of transgender men are between males and lesbian athletes. If any of this is true then it is unfair to heterosexual women to compel them to compete with men in any physical sport. If you want to slice it down into the fairness of them competing with lesbians and transgender men then you are free to do so.

Why are you asking me? I have no interest in boxing.

 

You can say that all you want, but you need to back that up. Personally, I think you are assuming that as well based on the fact of women wanting other women. So are bisexual women at a testosterone level between straight women and lesbians? And just realizing what you wrote, are you holding your testosterone assertion to only lesbian athletes and not lesbians as a whole?

I'll be honest enough in saying that because I also have no interest in the sport, I am not up on the details. However, I do know that boxing is divided up into classes so that men are fairly competing with each other. So why can't we just drop the gender bit and simply go by those physical divisions? Any women who can match a man in that class would be competing fairly in that class. So some classes with be dominated by men, other classes dominated by women, and the classes in between will have various mixes.

 

You've wasted enough of my time.

 

Hey if you can't counter my points, at least be man enough to say so. If you can't even support your own assertions then don't make them.

 

More than enough of my time has been wasted on you. We are finished here.

 

And yet you keep avoiding supporting your assertions. It's rather telling. Now had you only said you assumed lesbians had more testosterone than straight women, I'd have let it go as plain ignorance. But you asserted as fact. And now you've been called on it and can't back it up.

 

At least the US tax payer didn't pay for that study. In the near future all world records in women sports will be held by transgender individuals.

That will be interesting a transgender XY female and a regular XX female in a boxing match. Would that be legal? abusive? or what.

In the Olympics 2020, If such an event was held I'm fairly certain it would receive high television ratings.

Cage fighting next, I'm fairly certain some money could be made there. too late they are all ready doing that.

https://caldronpool.com/transgender...-skull-is-it-now-ok-for-a-man-to-hit-a-woman/

Yes we definitely need a study to figure this out.

 

No doubt about it.

And what will animal rights activists have to say? If there is bullfighting ought there not be cowfighting too?

 

If I understand the classes in boxing correctly, they should be as evenly matched as any two cis women would be. And technically isn't all such activity abusive?

 

Upper body strength is the issue with XY beings compared to XX beings.
The other issue is reach, XY being typically have a longer reach than XX being of similar weight.
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Maquiscat has a valid point. Can you point us to the article/paper/scientific podcast/TED Lecture/whatever that backs up your claim?

I mean I can understand the thought that homosexual women might have more testosterone than heterosexual women if one bases it off of the stereotype of the "Butch" lesbian. But that's a limited sampling of the larger homosexual women community.

Also one has to wonder if there would be a hormone level similarity between the "Butch" lesbian and the heterosexual "Tom Boy".

Then there is the question if there really is a difference in hormone levels between women of different sexual orientations...is there a similar difference in men? By the logic you present would a homosexual man be at a disadvantage against a heterosexual one?

I'd love to see the articles regarding that...especially in light of the number of homosexual male bodybuilders out there.