New Variant 'IHU' Identified In France, May Have 46 Mutations

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    They don't want to the way things are now that is The New normal and it will be until we say no.

    There will be a new variant and a new variant and new variant and the case numbers will explode and everyone will freak out until they stop. Some people will always freak out they will never be past covid it will control them until their last day.
     
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    They don't believe that. They believe (or rather, hope) that they can't get seriously ill.
     
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    Bingo
     
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    1) What IS your position?

    2) Most forms of insurance factor in the specific risk profile of the client, and price the policy accordingly. If you go rock fishing on weekends, you're going to pay more for your life insurance than someone who plays scrabble - or be denied insurance altogether.

    3) Either you're FOR bodily autonomy, or you're not. There isn't a third option.
     
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    But you can stop it travelling.
     
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    Being indoors with other people is the risk. Probably not in a large open span building like a W@lmart, when you're constantly moving and not standing near anyone for more than a few seconds, and where the ceilings are usually very high (a lot of the air is circulated up high, which is a good thing). But cafes, restaurants, gyms, pubs, nightclubs and music venues, cinemas etc are all bad news. And private homes are the NUMBER ONE source of transmission - for all the obvious reasons. You're there longer, you're at much closer quarters, the space is smaller, and you're usually not wearing a mask.
     
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    Not with Omicron.
    We got lucky this time.
     
  8. Polydectes

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    Not really.
     
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    To be fair, I've been to my fair share of shithole African countries. When there are rolling blackouts because the government official in charge bought a half load of rocks instead of coal, you know you're in a shithole country.

    Nothing racist about it. Rwanda for instance is not a shithole country, neither is Morocco.
     
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    Well I mean, yes you can. Why do you think viruses didn't spread globally back in the day?

    It's the spastic ADHD of a certain sector of humanity, which has soiled the entire planet.
     
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    Sh!tholes can be anywhere. There are parts of the UK which are bloody awful. Parts of Poland, and Russia, and even Finland. A few cities in America qualify, too. Some parts of Asia, for sure.
     
  12. Polydectes

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    because people can't be controlled to the degree that it would take to stop them from moving about.
    I figure it's just the human race they'll do what they want and nobody really has any control over it because nobody possesses that power.
     
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    Movement is what causes pandemics - so no movement is what prevents and/or ends them. Movement has also ****ed the environment, so it's a double evil.

    Okay .. completely different conversation, but sure.
     
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    I don't disagree with your assessment here that no movement would and any and all viruses but you can't control 7 billion people that way.
     
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    For New Years my family spent it at a local restaurant of a hotel and my friend rented two penthouse suites. His teenage kids had their friends with us, in close quarters. One of the teenagers with us tested positive for Omicron since. I think everyone was double vaxxed too. He had sniffles and sore throat. He's better now, but no one else came down with symptoms.
     
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    And how do viruses typically mutate, historically? Like, say, the Spanish flu which is still with us, right?

    My family all had a head cold in early December, despite being vaccinated. 2-3 days then gone. We never got tested since testing was full and we all were on Christmas break, so we stayed in for the most part anyway. We built a nice snowman though. The kids toughed through the runny nose.
     
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    Definitely, but Africa unequivocally has the most.
     
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    they believe the unvaccinated have had a year now to get the vaccine, so they care less if they get it, as they feel they wanted to get natural immunity and accepted the risks

    90% of those in the hospital now are the unvaccinated, but sadly not for lack of trying to get them vaccinated long ago

    police officers were offered the vaccine in January 2021... he refused, said he had an immune system

    we all have a immune system... why not train it

    "Anti-Mask Cop Dies From COVID-19"

     
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    I feel presenting cases like this doesn't do much to resolve the differences between the groups. Those who refuse the vaccine will come back with someone, one off or not, that has died days after a shot, booster, what have you, without any previous co-morbidities or conditions.

    It's more like you said in your first sentence. Those who feel protected by the vaccine aren't much concerned with those who don't want it, and those who don't want it aren't worried about that. Rather than polarizing one group against another, let those who want to take the risk do as they wish. We know, by now, that the vaccine wasn't ever going to stop the spread, and it had already mutated (Delta for example) prior to when the vaccines were widely available. Vaccinated folks blaming the unvaccinated for that is as unscientific as the unvaccinated blaming the vaccinated for being spreaders now.

    Where does that lead us?

    No where, fast.
     
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    the difference with this vaccine then the flu vaccine is it targets the spikes, the hope is that is less likely to mutate and if it does, the virus will be less contagious
     
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    I was talking about what viruses tend to do normally, such as the Spanish flu, becoming less lethal (not necessarily contagious) over time.

    If they kill too fast too soon, they won't infect enough people if contained, but if they become more contagious and less lethal, they get to stick around longer. Isn't that what has happened to the other coronaviruses and influenza ones in circulation, hence why I mentioned the Spanish flu because there was no vaccine for that back then. It spread and killed many, then eventually mutated towards more infectious (presumably) and less lethal.
     
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    You don't have a plan?
    I'm not, at least not as an absolute.
     
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    Yes, but my point is that DELTA did not come from any of the "shithole" countries that you mentioned. And it seemed like you were implying that all of the variants came from them.
     
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    Viruses often become less deadly, but not always.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-will-the-coronavirus-evolve/
     
  25. Pollycy

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    Fair enough... so, instead of splitting this 'hair' any further, I'll replace the phrase, "shithole country" with "Third World" and perhaps that will fit the accuracy 'template' more exactly. As a juxtaposition, consider that as we remember the various 'outbreaks' that have occurred over the past, say, thirty years or so, ALL of them have originated in the "Third World"... and, more often, in CHINA, many parts of which do have many pronounced "shithole" characteristics... such as --

    [​IMG]. Look... it's actual "shitholes", in CHINA! :omg:
     

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