New Video From A&E for 9/11 truth

Since none of WTC towers collapsed into a "clean pile, laying in its own footprint", we can then rule out controlled demolition.

... and that's not how demolition explosives work.

 

No "proof" has ever been offered...only "official" BS. I was looking for something a little more........realistic.

 

Again,you choose not to accept the findings....not my problem.

 

Well, it's kinda like Iraq telling the UN and the world "There is no bombing or invasion going on", while the bombs shook the buildings they broadcast from.. Not your problem though, I know. Just sayin,' I choose truth, and "officially" there isn't much.

 

Again,the fact that you can't see the truth, and inist on believing conspiracied....not my problem.

 

The truth is there for anybody that wants to actually look (and hint hint: It AIN'T in any "official" report).

 

You keep saying "official" as if we even need to rely on government sources to determine that the generally accepted account of 9/11 is accurate.

Plenty of independent corroborating evidence and investigative reporting has been done, all of which has confirmed both the contents of the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST reports.

And in 10 years, not one 9/11 Denier has commissioned their own peer-reviewed study or investigation into anything, despite taking in many donations for the purpose of "forcing" the government to undertake a "new, independent investigation." Why try to force the government to do it if you don't trust the government anyway? Why not simply fund an investigation on your own?

Answer: Because deep down they know that any genuine investigation is going to confirm the generally accepted account of what happened, and then they couldn't keep going around demanding an "independent" investigation, and their tidy little cottage industry would cease to exist.

 

What is the "generally accepted account" you're reffering to about which individual(s) conceived, planned and financed the attack, and how and when they did that? Is it the same as what the 9/11 commission said on the matter?

Can you cite any "independent corroborating evidence and investigative reporting" which confirms chapters 5 and 7 of the 9/11 commission report i.e. their narrative of the plotting and financing of the attack?

Wasn't the thermite flakes paper by Steven Jones peer reviewed? Were the NIST reports about the WTC collapses subjected to the regular peer review process?

As far as forcing the government, no real investigation, especially relating to the alleged failures in intelligence and the real time response to the attack, can be done without full government cooperation and disclosure, which even the 9/11 commission didn't receive.

 

The surface of the sun is only 10,000 degrees F.

Nothing inside the building reached 50,000 degrees F.

The supports that are cut with shaped charges are not turned to liquid.

Whoops. That's a bit shy of 50,000 Degrees F.

 

It goes without saying that Truthers aren't shy about adding a couple of zeros.

 

It goes without question that propagandists of the "official" story, are quite comfortable with a single zero (as in "official" evidence).

 

And yet another zero shows up to the thread.

 

You keep blathering on about the 'official story, as if we only had ONE source......How many others at universites and engineering firms did their own studies?

And no,I'm not going to list them

 

Quite a few actually. Links to all of the items listed below can be found here.

http://sites.google.com/site/911science/

A Bibliography Of Scientific Literature On The World Trade Center Collapse

Studies And Investigations
2002/05 - Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE) - World Trade Center Building Performance Study

2002/05 - Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) - The Towers Lost and Beyond

2002/09 - John D. Osteraas - World Trade Center: Assessment of Structural and Architectural Damage
The study was conducted for Exponent Failure Analysis Associates on behalf of Swiss Re and other insurers of the WTC complex.

2002/09 - Ali Reza - Damage to the WTC Complex Due to the Collapse of Only One Tower
The study was conducted for Exponent Failure Analysis Associates on behalf of Swiss Re and other insurers of the WTC complex.

2002/10 - Weidlinger Associates Inc. (WAI), LZA Technology/Thornton-Tomasetti, ARUPFire, Hughes Associates Inc., Hillman Environmental Group, RWDI, Z-Axis Corp - World Trade Center—Structural Engineering Investigation

The study was performed by a group of engineering firms led by WAI and was conducted on behalf of Silverstein Properties.

2005/09 - National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) - Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster

2006/09, 2007/04 - Purdue University, Computer Graphics and Visualization Lab - High-Fidelity Visualization of Large-Scale Simulations

Journal Articles
2001
2001/12 - Thomas W. Eagar, Christopher Musso - Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation - JOM (Vol. 53, No. 12)

2002
2002/01 - Zdenek P. Bazant, Yong Zhou - Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis - Journal of Engineering Mechanics (Vol. 128, No. 1)

2002/03 - Zdenek P. Bazant, Yong Zhou - Addendum to "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis" - Journal of Engineering Mechanics (Vol. 128, No. 3)

2002/07 - David E. Newland, David Cebon - Could the world trade center have been modified to prevent its collapse? - Journal of Engineering Mechanics (Vol. 128, No. 7)

2002/08 - Bernard Monahan - World Trade Center Collapse—Civil Engineering Considerations - Practice Periodical On Structural Design And Construction (Vol. 7, No. 3)

2002/10 - James G. Quintiere, Marino di Marzo, Rachel Becker - A suggested cause of the fire-induced collapse of the World Trade Towers - Fire Safety Journal (Vol. 37, No. 7)

2003
2003/07 - Tomasz Wierzbicki, Xiaoqing Teng - How the airplane wing cut through the exterior columns of the World Trade Center - International Journal of Impact Engineering (Vol. 28, No. 6)

2003/10 - Asif S. Usmani, Yun Chi Chung, Jose L. Torero - How did the WTC towers collapse? A new theory - Fire Safety Journal (Vol. 38, No. 6)

2005
2005/01 - Yukihiro Omika, Eiji Fukuzawa, Norihide Koshika, Hiroshi Morikawa, Ryusuke Fukuda - Structural Responses of World Trade Center under Aircraft Attacks - Journal of Structural Engineering (Vol. 131, No. 1)

2005/01 - Howard R. Baum, Ronald G. Rehm - A simple model of the World Trade Center fireball dynamics - Proceedings of the Combustion Institute (Vol. 30, No. 2) - full article

2005/06 - Asif S. Usmani - Stability of the World Trade Center Twin Towers Structural Frame in Multiple Floor Fires - Journal of Engineering Mechanics (Vol. 131, No. 6)

2005/07 - Jeremy Chang, Andrew H. Buchanan, Peter J. Moss - Effect of insulation on the fire behaviour of steel floor trusses - Fire and Materials (Vol. 29, No. 4)

2005/10 - Mohammed R. Karim, Michelle S. Hoo Fatt - Impact of the Boeing 767 Aircraft into the World Trade Center - Journal of Engineering Mechanics (Vol. 131, No. 10)

2006
2006/09 - Genady P. Cherepanov - Mechanics of the WTC collapse - International Journal of Fracture (Vol. 141, No. 1-2)

2007
2007/03 - Zdenek P. Bazant, Mathieu Verdure - Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions - Journal of Engineering Mechanics (Vol. 133, No. 3)

2007/11 - Ming Wang, Peter Chang, James Quintiere, Andre Marshall - Scale Modeling of the 96th Floor of World Trade Center Tower 1 - Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities (Vol. 21, No. 6)

2008
2008/01 - Ayhan Irfanoglu, Christoph M. Hoffmann - An Engineering Perspective of the Collapse of WTC-1 - Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities (Vol. 22, No. 1) - full article

2008/03 - Keith A. Seffen - Progressive Collapse of the World Trade Centre: a Simple Analysis - Journal of Engineering Mechanics (Vol. 134, No. 2) - full article

2008/07 - Genady P. Cherepanov - Collapse of towers as applied to September 11 events - Fizyko-Khimichna Mekhanika Materialiv (Materials Science) (Vol. 44, No. 4)

2008/10 - Zdenek P. Bazant, Jia-Liang Le, Frank R. Greening, David B. Benson - What Did and Did not Cause Collapse of WTC Twin Towers in New York - Journal of Engineering Mechanics (Vol. 134, No. 10) - full article

Letters
2005/03 - Genady P. Cherepanov - September 11 And Fracture Mechanics - A Retrospective - International Journal of Fracture (Vol. 132, No. 2)

2007/01 - Genady P. Cherepanov, Ivan E. Esparragoza - Progressive Collapse of Towers: The Resistance Effect - International Journal of Fracture (Vol. 143, No. 2)

Conference Papers
2002/11 - Lu Xinzheng, Jiang Jianjing - Simulation for the Collapse of WTC after Aeroplane Impact - Proceedings of the International Conference on Protection of Structures Against Hazard, 14 − 15 November 2002, Singapore - full paper

2003/05 - Venkatash K. R. Kodur - Role of fire resistance issues in the collapse of the Twin Towers - Proceedings of the CIB-CTBUH International Conference on Tall Buildings, 8 - 10 May 2003, Kuala Lumpur - full paper

2003/11 - Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl - World Trade Center Collapse, Field Investigation and Analysis - Proceedings of the Ninth Arab Structural Engineering Conference, 29 November – 1 December 2003, Abu Dhabi - full paper

Articles In Science Magazines
2001/10 - Steven Ashley - When the Twin Towers Fell - Scientific American - full article

2001/10 - Zdenek P. Bazant, Yong Zhou - Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News (Vol. 34, No. - full article

2002/01 - Henry Petroski - The Fall of Skyscrapers - American Scientist (Vol. 90, No. 1) - full article

Self-Published
2006/08 - Brent Blanchard and other Protec employees - A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 & 7 From a Conventional Explosives and Demolitions Industry Viewpoint - full article

2006/09 - Debunking911 - Firefighter’ s Interviews - Sounds of Explosives or Explosive Sounds in the Towers - Journal of Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (Vol. 1, No. 2) - full article

2006/10 - Mark Roberts - World Trade Center Building 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 “Truth Movement” - full article

2007/05 - Mike King - Good Science and 9-11 Demolition Theories - full article

2008/05 - Ryan Mackey - On Debunking 9/11 Debunking, Examining Dr. David Ray Griffin’s Latest Criticism of the NIST World Trade Center Investigation -

 

Daaaaaaaang, good job!
Might have to borrow that

 

Be my guest.

 

Meh.. Obviously every single person involved in every single one of those reports is "part of the conspiracy." Just like everyone here that dares post anything against our resident 9/11 Deniers. It's a conspiracy consisting of every one of the 7 billion humans in the world that isn't a 9/11 Denier, and yet strangely no one is talking...

 

Yes the level of organization and coordination is quite spectacular, isn't it.

 

Well, thats the way we organized it.

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"Officially"...zeros add up to changing numbers continually (depending on which version is being presented at the time).

 

Those that haven't gotten it by now, will never get it.

 

Go divide by yourself and get it over with already.

 

I hope you're wrong.

 

I'm usually not.

Keep fighting the good fight though.

 

Just look for yourself. That's enough for now.