New York Attorney General Sues Trump Foundation After 2-Year Investigation

One question at a time. First one is rhetoric. To the Second: No. To the third: I'll tell you for sure in a little while. For now I only know you don't know how to quote properly.

Now. Have you ever read Pompadours plea? Caution: you won't hear it on wingnut media. Yes... he confessed to colluding with Russia. Under oath. He also confessed to many crimes. You see, a "plea deal" means that he's not going to be charged for most of them. Not that he didn't commit them.

It is. Only problem is that it's Trump Jr's opinion.

Maybe circumstantial... maybe actionable... We won't know until charges are filed, will we? Unless, of course, you are somehow privy to Mueller's findings. I'm not. I'm just explaining to you how investigations work, since you apparently didn't know.

Could be. For many reasons, but mainly because it's a relatively minor crime. Trump Jr. has plenty more to worry about than that. But I'm just answering your question. He did it, and confessed to it. Publicly! The fact that he hasn't' been charged should actually have his fans with their hair standing on end.

So you feel the same about a dude being arrested fo carrying a joint in his pocket, as you do about a foreign nation attacking our electoral system?

Like what? IG report, as far as I know, has nothing to do with the Russia intervention and collusion. Please quote the part of the IG report where any "discrepancies" in the Intelligence Agencies' report are revealed.

 

Source on him admitting to colluding with Russia under oath? Source on a confirmation of plea deal? I'm going by the facts. You seem to be using assumptions to bolster your argument. The point is the charges and what you believe to have occurred don't match up. Papa got charged with lying, not collusion or treason or espionage. Lying to law enforcement which is definetly selectively prosecuted( see the Strzok texts).

Yea yea yea, trump jr publically admitted to a "crime" yet he was not questioned at all. That makes way more sense than what he did not being criminal unless, you over zealously interpret the facts and even then it's questionable if it's criminal.

How exactly do you know if he committed them if he won't be tried for them? He got indicted which means it's an accusation until he is convicted for whatever charge.

I should've clarified I meant discrepancies in behavior . As in the I.g says there is a cloud over the legitimacy of the investigation because of how it was handled. As that he isn't sure bias played no part in the handling of the investigation.

 

Nobody has confessed to collusion.

Stop making crap up.

 

The source is you, I guess. You're the only one saying that.

No you're not! You want me to build your strawman arguments for you. But this combination of intellectual dishonesty with intellectual dishonesty is unique... and hilarious!

You don't know about the please deals? Or are you just wanting to waste my time? I thought even wingnut media reported that.

I naver use assumptions. If you don't know of plea deals like Papodopoulos', which has been publicized to no end... you really have a problem.

This is where you start: https://www.lawfareblog.com/george-papadopoulos-stipulation-and-plea-agreement

Your question was about collusion. Not about charges. Count me out if facts you didn't know have required you to move any goalposts. I don't know what charges will be brought up. Do you? We'll know all of them when Mueller files them. I doubt we'll know before that. Unless you have some "inside source".

"Not questioned", huh! Oh, man! You seem to live in your own little bubble completely uninformed about the world around you. You expose yourself by coming to a Debate Forum where most of us are pretty well informed. You don't know about the Mueller plea deals, you don't know about Papadopoulos confession, you don't know that Trump Jr was questioned.

Before you expose yourself to being ripped apart (argumentatively speaking, that is) I would suggest you take some time off and catch up with the nation's news.

Already responded: because he publicly confessed to them.

Am I supposed to be impressed by your handling of the Dictionary?

Quote the part of the IG report that questions the way in which the Russia Collusion investigation was handled, please.

 

They have... and quite publicly. But, of course, facts are something that wingnut media would never allow you to see.... You can start with Papadopoulos' plea agreement. Warning: reality has been known to produce brain cramps on Trump loyalists.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/george-papadopoulos-stipulation-and-plea-agreement

 

The word "collusion" doesn't appear once in that document.

Once again, stop making crap up!

 

What? You analyzed a document by looking up the word "collusion"?

I can stand your cult to Trump, but laziness.... that cannot be tolerated.

Read it! Or stay silent!

 

Don't fricking tell me to stay silent!!!!!

No one has admitted collusion.

Stop making crap up.

 

Your ignorance does not remove the fact. Yes they did! Do I need to look it up for you. Start here, and you look up the rest!

But, since I have done the legwork for you. Now don't stay silent! Respond! But do so in an informed way. Unlike you have done so far. And this means you need to read the whole document.

 

That doesn't prove collusion.

Try to keep up.

 

Il give you the benefit of the doubt and say you maybe thought I was taking about don jr. But you clearly say in this comment papa admitted to collusion. Under oath.

 

Sure. The guy might have confessed to punish himself in order to atone for his sins of the flesh.

Once inducted in a cult, professional help is the only way to reverse indoctrination. Facts won't do the job.

 

So instead of altering your belief , you instead choose to believe that don jr publically admitted to a crime, released the emails relating to said crime, and law enforcement and mueller just doesn't want to, isn't able, or for some other unknown reason declined to charge or interrogate him? Maybe it's just that trying to make into a crime would be extremely difficult if not impossible to prove in court.

Yes. My question was collusion. You can't just speak for law enforcement. The governments case against papa doesn't have anything to do with collusion. Stop presenting your musings as fact. The only 100% factual information we have on what the government think papa did is charges. None of which have anything to do with collusion. Even the most ardent anti trumper admits this. They then explain it away as mueller trapping smaller fish to get to trump. Fantastical , yes, but atleast they admit the charges are unrelated to the mandate.

 

Maybe I thought you were talking about Don Jr because you said

(emphasis is mine)

 

Or he might have confessed in order to not have to spend hundreds of thousands if not millions on paying lawyers?

The section of the indictment you posted , is that what you're trying to say proves collusion? Seriously ?! Pathetic. Lol interactions with an individual's who knew Russian government officials is evidence of colluding with Russia. Just an asinine opinion all around.

I guess John Kerry colluded with Iran since he met with them this year.

 

Dude here is the paragraph where you say papa confessed under oath. Why is there a mis communication?

 

Of course! It all makes sense now! Papadopoulos confessed to a crime he didn't commit so he could save some money in attorneys. And the fact that the story he made up is exactly the one that prosecutors already knew, because it was in the Dosier (which had not been released to the public at that point) is just coincidence.

It's amazing how people who are part of a cult will cling to anything, no matter how absurd, to defend their "prophet".

No. It only proves that he admitted to collusion with Russia while he was working for the Trump Campaign. But I'm sure you can come up with some nutty explanation like the one above. Let's see... How about this: he was attacked by aliens from Andromeda who used a special stun-gun that made him learn the contents of the Dosier but, at the same time, made him so crazy that he decided to confess to Perjury.

Looks like you're the expert on asinine opinions.

Sure... Kerry met with iranians publicly and announced it to the press because they said they had "dirt" on Trump, right?

Ok... Now go to bed early. And maybe tomorrow you won't forget to take your medications like you did today.

 

The plea agreement is sworn statement.

 

It's your fantasy. Don't let me stop you. As for myself, I have no idea if Mueller is going to charge him or not. He might charge him, he might just hold it over his head to get him to turn against his dad. Don Jr doesn't like his dad much anyway, so... who knows... But there are too many possibilities between those to list. We won't know until Mueller ends his investigation.

Next time I'll be sure to include more extraterrestrials and less facts in there to make it believable to you.

I need to remember that too many facts make a Trump cultist's head implode.

 

What? source on the story he gave being in the dossier? And are you really typing as if hundreds of thousands of not millions is some trivial amount of money? Lol figures in the upper thousands to the low millions isn't "some money " to most people. That's most people life savings. I can't believe you're emboldened enough to talk as though the sort of cash you need for a team of lawyers to fight a federal case is a pittance. The sort of ignorance and biase it takes to posit such a thing is baffling.

Why do you keep saying he admitted to collusion. It's one thing if he met with a Russian Government official, but meeting with someone who knows Russian government officials? Was misfud acting on behalf of the Russian government ? How are you extrapolating that he admitted to collusion with Russia by admitting that he met someone who knew Russians? Guide me through your warped logic on that please.

Didn't you just say that Don jr was guilty of solicitation even though he publically released all the email communication between him and the alleged solicitor? How come Kerry publically admitting he is meeting with Iranians changes the legality , while Don jr publicly releasing his communications doesn't? Very Blatant partisanship in your part.


I would've attempted to use Kerrys history as government official as an excuse not the publicity, that way, You can seem like you have a legitimate reason for unequal application of the law

 

What "papa" are you talking about. Papadopoulos, or Papa-Trump?

Papadopoulos confessed under oath to collusion. I don't know about Papa-Trump.

Your brain jumble appears to be contagious.

 

Dude what I say about using your musings as an argument lol. Funny you mention fantasies, then type out some highly unlikely imaginary scenario, based on what you believe is legal.
" maybe muller is getting Don jr to flip on his dad" "maybe muller has a tail on Don jr to get surveillance footage of him soliciting a Russian sleeper agent cell". What a bunch of crock. Several people who deal with the law has said the meeting was legal. There are a few that think the opposite. The facts dictate that the meeting was legal and would be deemed so by a judge. Hence Don jr not even bring interrogated.

Yea and we won't know what the apocalypse is until the world ends. You can't just say "the investigations not done yet, so you can't say that, "while stating possibilities.

So sure the investigations not done yet, but Don jr had the netting and realsed the emails Years ago , and has not been indicted or questioned by mueller. Both statements are true.

 

Dude are you arguing I'm good faith? Because you clearly said what I said you did, and instead of admitting it, you deflect. I said you said that papa admitting under oath. You said you didn't. Now you admit that you said that after quoting the paragraph.

May I have a source that papa confessed under oath to collusion?

 

Mueller has plenty on Don Jr. He doesn't need "surveillance"... he has his confession. But the point is if he wants to use it to get him to flip on Trump. You didn't get it, right? Sorry I can't dumb it down for you any further.

Oh... you jump head on into the strawman arguments that wingnut media feeds you. The meeting is a minor transgression. Punishable probably by a fine, or a slap on the wrist (can't remember which). So, of course, your wingnut media will focus on that.

But that's not Trump's Jr, and Kushner's and Flynn's .... real problem.

You are so uninformed it's just.... pathetic. I really encourage you to inform yourself before getting yourself into debates with people who are. Otherwise, you could end up looking silly.

Even if the meeting were legal (which is questionable, but trivial...), he committed perjury by hiding it. The latter is much more serious. And both Trump Jr and Kushner are just too "pretty" for prison. So they are good candidates to flip.

I suspect Trump will know what the apocalypse is way before the world ends.

Sure I can! As a matter of fact, I just did.

And why would Mueller question him? Anything he asks him would be a clue to Trump about where the investigation is heading. And there's no need. Junior has already confessed. And we don't know what he said in his interrogation under oath behind closed doors. But Mueller does....

 

No, I don't think you are.

Papadopoulos? Sure. But this is well known by any moderately informed person and has been debated at length for months. You should try to learn to inform yourself. Not rely on me to inform you Otherwise you're not going to get anywhere. Start here....

https://www.lawfareblog.com/george-papadopoulos-stipulation-and-plea-agreement