New Zealand mosques: Several dead after shootings in Christchurch

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  1. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that's my point, the term means nothing now and when you can find a place in your heart to excuse terror victims in Israel so would Israelis when Germans get blown or if Russia invades some Eastern European country and so on, we don't see the bodies only read the headlines and move on. Left and Right are just two hateful sides with no moral advantage.
     
  2. Mandelus

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    I have not apologized or justified for terrorist acts ... but if you look at the whole history not just with Israeli glasses on the nose only,, then the question of cause and effect ... or action and reaction in the conflict arise seriously!
     
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    Yes, the whole history boils down to the Muslims orders from God to kill the Jews.
     
  4. Mandelus

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    Lol ... you really believe this? O dear ... Come on, read the coran and then keep silent before you blabbe more BS out of lacking Knowledge. And if you are Christian, keep more silent about your criminal religion.

    By the way ... I am atheist!
     
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    yasureoktoo Well-Known Member

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    I have the Qur'an and Sunnah in print, and I have read them.

    Are you claiming you are unaware of orders to kill the Jews.
    I can post a lot of them.
     
  6. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    I know these contensts you mean ... but you know the correct translations too and shall I post you contents where the opposite is written about, eh?
     
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    yasureoktoo Well-Known Member

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    I only use the top 5.
    Noble,
    Pitchal,
    Achmed Ali
    Yousaf Ali
    shakir


    I prefer Noble because it is in all the mosques.
     
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  8. Mandelus

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    I prefer the hafs warsh quran to read, but taking care about translation always!

    Islam itself can not act or exert violence. Islam is the name of a world religion with currently about 1.6 billion followers. A judgment of Islam comes either from the theological awareness of this religion or from the empirical observation of Muslims. The propensity to violence is not a religious event.

    (Qur'an 5:48) ... Islam is not God and it is not the goal for all people to become Muslims!
    "For each one of you, we have determined another own direction and path, and if God has wanted, He would have made you in one community, but He wanted to test you in what He gave you, so compete for the good things! You all will return to god, all, and then He will reveal to you what you disagree about"!

    With regard to the treatment and evaluation of Jews and Christians, we hear contradictory statements from the Koran. First, they are considered as brothers in the faith and co-heirs of paradise, then only mutual respect is expected. At this stage, Jews and Christians are not yet classified as "infidels". Later, however, they are referred to as "infidels and enemies of the Muslims" who must be opposed and condemned.

    And if you look at the development of history in parallel, then it is that here the Byzantines, then later the crusaders were called to the scene and they also waged a holy war in the name of their religion against whom agaon, eh?

    So ... which version of the Koran is up-to-date and which is valid?
     
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    The 5 translations I mentioned,
    The 5 translations I mentioned,
    are the most widely accepted. by Islam and Kafir alike.
    I never heard of the ones you mentioned, but they never came up for comparison either, so I will refrain from using them.
    From looking them up, it seems the two are slightly different in recital, and used mainly for The Arabic language.


    Islam is all about violence, the actions and deeds of Muhammed are constant violence.
    Once Muhammed was tossed out of Mecca,
    it seems he was obsessed with violence
     
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  10. Mandelus

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    True ... the Christians are smarter there. They push the New Testament to show how great they are, but when it comes to violence, you take the Old Testament!
    Then explain to me what Christians use to justify the Inquisition?
     
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    Not really,
    The Old Covenant is Jewish, and the Christian religion is the New covenant.
    There are a dozen or so verses that explain the change.

    The Jews wrote some pretty sicko and nasty sh-t in their religious writings, however they have long since evolved from them.
    Another point is that much of the sick sh-t was written when they were being slaughtered by the Romans and Good Christians.
    I wouldn't write good stuff about them either.
     
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    Actually when the inquisition happened, nobody had bibles, and fewer could even read,
    so they were at the mercy of what the leaders said God wanted..

    I really don't know that much about Chrisstianity,
    so if you are interested you need to make a thread on it.
     
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    Wrong!
    If the Old Testament does not belong to Christianity ... then is Genesis, Moses, Adam and Eve etc. all a fairy tale of another religion?
     
  14. yasureoktoo

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    That's correct, it belongs to Judism.
    Written thousands of years before Christianity was invented.
    Adam and Eve even goes further back than that to the Summerians
    The OT is still used,
    It is the laws that changed

    Now they turn the other cheek
    Love thy enemy
    Not cast the first stone.

    And BTW, What Christians are supposed to do, and what they actually do, can be very different.
    I always said Christianity was written by lawyers.

    Keep in mind, You have Muslims who do not follow the teachings of Muhammed and Islam,
    and are very peaceful people who would never hurt anyone.
     
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