Newly Declassified Documents undercuts Steel Dossier

Only once have I eaten crow (unless Costco is using a different meat supplier these days) on this site...

You guys are at the 24x7 crow buffet....

 

Trump won't release that, but we know the Trump tower meeting happened and much about Russia amoung the Trump team

if you want that released, vote Biden in 2020

 

Clearly the pee tape is true as Trump immediately lied to defend himself on that one.

 

not sure what Putin has on Trump, I think it's more than a pee tape though

 

Saul tactics dont work on me sorry buddy.

 

And yet, you responded....

Hmmm....

Whatever, go learn more about the Iron Dossier.... but you are still welcome to join the 2020's at any time...

 

I enjoy calling out bullshit so you are welcome.

 

Gee, and I thought we decided the dossier was just a footnote at the bottom of the page.
What brings it back up. Did someone find the pee pee tapes?

 

Bless your heart, you are gonna be so upset when Durham doesn't deliver what you so desperately want.

 

Trump supporters need to hang on to what ever minuscule shred of anything they hope sinks Biden, Obama, Hillary...etc. now that the writing is on the wall regarding November. But I'm afraid for them the Country simply doesn't care about their fake Obamagate conspiracy. The voters care more that our POTUS completely flubbed up handling this pandemic as we see every bit of economic success Trump took credit for the last 3 years completely wiped away due to his complete failure to lead.

Sad

 

Obviously the trump campaign had nothing to hide, that's why so many of them chose to lie to the fbi and refused to cooperate.

 

You fail to account for cognitive dissonance.

 

That's because you always conveniently forget the wisdom you passed on to us on this board for 3 years. Russia, Russia, Russia. If it wasn't so bad it would be hilarious but instead it ruined your board cred.

 

Can't think of a single thing I've posted on Russia/Trump through the years I don't still stand by

Flynn/Kislyak
Trump Tower Meeting
Trump Tower Moscow
Manafort/Kilimnick polling data
Utilizing stolen materials during campaign
Helsinki
Sanction delays
G7 Putin invites

Yep... just off the top of my head...

 

I finally got around to reading a LEGIT source about this story, and I'm not seeing the bombshell aspect...

Sorry folks.. Maybe Lindsey can dig into his magic bag and come up with something else...

Strzok had some doubts about the Dossier... OK... and he was also not on the team getting the Page warrants... OK again.

SNIP
The wiretapping of Page was a small part of the overall investigation into Russia’s covert attempt to help tilt the election in Trump’s favor and whether any Trump campaign affiliates had conspired in that effort. The inspector general report found that the opening of the investigation met legal standards and that the Steele dossier had played no role in that decision; the agents working on it did not learn of its existence until later.

The report eventually issued by Robert Mueller, the special counsel who later took over the investigation, did not rely on information from the dossier.
ENDSNIP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-agent-russia-inquiry-saw-140858832.html

 

Biden has enough of that for everyone.

 

Democrats are so invested in believing the lie their minds cant take the truth. Its sad really.

 

That may have been what you decided, but not the rest of us. I have said all along that the Steel Dossier and the efforts by the DOJ to use it to spy on the Trump Campaign is no different then what President Nixon did during Watergate. The FBI did not vet the dossier prior to using it to obtain the FISA Warrants on Carter Page to allow them to tap the Trump Campaign's phones. These declassified documents clearly show that they used the unvetted dossier twice in this manner. Then after they did start investigating the validity of the dossier, and found it questionable, they went right on using it.

In case you do not know. The use of unverified material as a source for FISA Warrants is a clear violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. So, is using material that you know to be false. This with the 17 violations that the DOJIG found seems conclusive to me that the DOJ/FBI were acting in a criminal nature, and conducting an illegal investigation of the opposition party.

That is why it is not a foot note at the bottom of a page, and is clearly relevant.

 

A Yahoo republishing a NYT article where the writers are trying to cover other NYT writer's posterior ends is hardly "LEGIT source". Take the statement of the opening paragraph for example. NYT spent a lot of ink trying to promote and back the fake dossier, but how do they depict the dossier in the article?

"...a now notorious dossier..."

Hardly a challenge to the validity of the fake document. As a matter of fact, the paragraph before your snippet states, "Eileen Murphy, a Times spokeswoman, said, “We stand by our reporting.” The snippet itself is not some quote by some FBI or DOJ spokesperson. It is from NYT itself designed to Cover their posterior ends. While the phone taps may have been a small part of the investigation, they were illegal, and the material obtained from them were a huge part of it. The article also ignores the fact that Carter Page was in fact working for the CIA, and his contacts with the Russians were a part of that job. Yet the documents were altered to hide that fact, and make it look like he was working for the Russians. In other words, the FBI outright lied to the FISA Courts.

This article contradicts itself. It says that Strzok was not a part of the FISA Applicant team, but says that he was involved in the interview of the primary source of the Steel Investigation. Why would they be investigating the Steel Dossier except for the fact that it was being used to support the FISA Warrants? The fact is that the declassified documents did not say who was the FBI interviewers, but the article I posted named two agents as the interviewers. Strzok does not come into play until the second declassified document. That is a article that states that Steel was claiming that the Trump Team was meeting with Russian Intelligence agents. Strzok has a not off to the side of the article that states that they, the intelligence community, had no knowledge of anyone in the Trump Campaign meeting with the Russian Intel community. This of course contradicts what Comey told Obama and Biden in the Oval office. He said that the amount of the contacts between the Russians and the Trump Campaign was troublesome. You will note that the date of the second declassified document was date about a year after the oval office meeting.

The fact that you, and your fellow Obamaites/Bidenites want to ignore is this one. It is illegal to use unverified material as support for a warrant. That is especially true of a FISA Warrant. Those that handled the application for the FISA warrants lied to the court that the material had been verified. Yet, the DOJIG found 17 violations within the FISA Applications. Now DOJIG Horowitz, an Obama appointee, gave them a break. He only claimed that two of the FISA renewals were illegally obtained when in fact, for the reason emphasized, all four were illegally obtained. That is why the Durham Investigation will take it a step further.

But let's look at the sources of the Steel Dossier itself. Steel portrayed the Primary source for the document as being a member of the Russian Intelligence Community. During the interviews, the source turned out no to be Russian at all. He was someone that Steel hired during a meeting at a Starbucks. This person had business cards of people within the Russian Intel community, but no direct access to them. Much of what was attributed to him was obtained through second or third person contact, and constituted nothing more then rumors. This source also stated that much of what is attributed to him had never came from him. He had not even heard of this so-called evidence until he read the dossier. As a matter of fact, this source did not even know that Steel was putting together the dossier until it was published by Buzzfeed and Mother Jones. Everything that has been attributed to the Primary Source, including the so-called peepee tapes are a lie.

But that is not the only questionable source for the Steel Dossier. Last year it was revealed that during interviews with Steel by the DOJIG Team, that another source of the fake dossier was a fake news site run by CNN. That site CNN iReport, was a site set up to allow "Civilian Reporters" to publish articles. Not surprising, fake news about GOP Candidate Trump was a hot topic on the site. The site allowed anyone to post any article without any vetting of verification. In other words, fake news CNN started a site that allows anyone to post fake news, and Steel used these fake stories as sources for his fake dossier against President Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index.html

So, why would Steel put together a fake Dossier from fake sources about a candidate during an election cycle? Two reasons. He hated President Trump, and he was paid to by the Hillary Campaign, the DNC and possible by the Organization Obama for America.

 

If any "crimes" were actually committed, then how come there hasn't been arrests?

Considering something as earth-shaking as this "dossier". is involved, I am surprised that half of the Obama Administration isn't on Death Row,

Of course, maybe this "dossier" isn't really that important?

 

James Clapper lied to congress (felony 1) about a domestic spying program (felony 2)

Clearly - not being arrested does not mean one has not committed a crime. Logical fallacy - Non Sequitur - and there are many more examples which prove your assertion false.

The crimes surrounding the dossier may well yet earn charges - but most will likely be pushed under the Rug.

"Russiagate" was a kangaroo clown show - with plenty of blame to go around - but little that will land on a particular target due to lack of Gov't Transparency.

 

The 'dossier' for the dossier's sake is worthless, but as the lynchpin of a criminal investigation, it's a treasury goldmine, especially with these unredacted documents. These documents confirm, without a doubt that the FBI frankly lied to the FISA court in its proceedings, by claiming verification when they didn't bother to verify.

But the newly uncovered information(that as I suspected) that they aren't Russians, undercuts the very credibility of the claims of the government. In other words, it's dubious to believe that there were Russians who hacked the DNC and the only proof of this is the allegations in the indictment. An allegation is not provable evidence under the court of law.

The DOJ once bragged that it could prove the case with information in the public domain. Well, now's the time for them to prove it because this new information undercuts that premise.

 

I was aware that the FBI lied to the FISA court. The FISA court knew it and blasted the FBI publicly. It still seems like old news to me. I had already lost credibility in the FBI and this revelation changes nothing for me.

 

We already know that Comey could have been indicted and charged with the unauthorized leaking of classified information. We know that McCabe could be have been indicted for leaking information designed to make give false impressions of the investigation, and to make the President look bad. Yet the DOJ did not decide to prosecute. Why? Because they were waiting to get these individuals for the larger charges. They can then roll the petty charges into a bigger prison sentence.

The DOJIG, appointed by Obama, and the FISA Court itself said that the Lynch/Comey team broke the law. They committed 17 violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Now, I do not know what state (of confusion) that you live in, but here a violation of the law is a criminal act. That is a big deal when you are dealing with an investigation of the opposition party campaign during an election year. Remember, these FISA Warrants were used to spy on the President's campaign, and the Steel Dossier was essential in obtaining the warrants. That makes it a really big deal. To claim otherwise is merely an attempt to ignore the truth.

BTW, by your definition, Trump has done nothing wrong either. No matter what you and your fellow lefties claim. He has never been indicted, tried, or found guilty of anything.

 

agreed....we now know the obama admin was the most corrupt in history