Newly Declassified Documents undercuts Steel Dossier

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  1. fmw

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    Well at least the the dept of justice was the most corrupt in recent memory.
     
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    this just great...do you write for the Onion?
     
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    We are dealing with something much larger then a loss of credibility here. The Obama Administration used a fake dossier to illegally obtain FISA Warrants to spy on the opposition party's Presidential Campaign. This is no different then the break-in of the DNC offices at the Watergate Hotel in 1972. The fact that the fake dossier was paid for by the Hillary Campaign, the DNC and possible the Obama for America Organization draws a direct link between the DNC and the Obama Administration's actions. This makes it a much bigger deal then a mere loss of credibility.
     
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    I'm aware of those things. I think the comparison to Watergate is reasonable.
     
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    I don't think cognitive dissonance drives Biden. He is driven by greed and lust for power, and that's why he's been in the federal government for his entire life. He is a warmonger and profiteer.
     
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    And they were quickly dropped with no product produced. Had nothing to do with Steele and the fake dossier. The FBI knew it was fake when they presented it to the FISA court.
     
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    The travesty is the criminal abuse of power within the top of the FBI and they are not in prison.

    Dems look the other way for they were going after trump.. Looks like they would destroy the republic just to unseat trump. That's the optics.

    Then you have what their leaked emails showed us. Schultz had to step down from being the big cheese in the DNC..
    Msm didn't give the banana republic behavior any attention as they promoted the Putin trump hoax to distract.

    This is the kind of govt we are cursed with..As neither party represents the working American.

    It's FUBAR..
     
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    WHERE IS SARAH HOYT’S SHOCKED FACE WHEN YOU NEED IT MOST? Steele Dossier Was British Disinformation: From A Steele Employee.

    The intelligence in the dossier by former British spy Christopher Steele, paid for by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign, was not from a well-placed source in the Russian government, but a paid-for employee of Steele’s firm, Orbis, who disputed the findings of the dossier when they were published on January 10, 2017. This, from the bombshell now declassified January 24, 2017 interview by the FBI with the sub-source that was only undertaken two weeks after the false allegations against President Donald Trump and his campaign — that they were Russian agents who had helped Moscow hack the DNC and put its emails onto Wikileaks — became public.
    The source was not talking to the Russian intelligence sources directly — despite the Steele dossier falsely saying he had.
     
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    "We have to investigate it first to find out what's in it!"(A pun on Pelosi's ACA comments.)
     
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    No he didn't. He testified that he met with Baranov. And the CIA confirmed to the FBI that Page was working as an asset FOR the CIA monitoring the Russians, but, the FBI deliberately forged the email confirmation to report that Page was NOT working as a CIA asset in order to obtain illegal spying authority on the Trump campaign.

    What is your position on the FBI forging evidence for a FISA warrant?
     
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    Does anybody remember over a year ago, when something called "Bucket 5" was supposed to "blow the lid off"?

    Whatever happened to that?

    I figured that by now (over a year later) that every document known to mankind would be "declassified".

    This thing in the OP looks like another Nothingburger.
    (Just like the other 99 times that "declassified" documents were going to "blow the lid off").
     
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    Steele's "Primary Subsource" Was Alcoholic Russian National Who Worked With Trump Impeachment Witness At Brookings
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    ...arrested, jailed and convicted years earlier on multiple public drunkenness and disorderly conduct charges in the Washington area and ordered to undergo substance-abuse and mental-health counseling...

    Authored by Paul Sperry via RealClearInvestigations.com,
    Agents continued to use the dossier as grounds to illegally investigate President Trump and put his advisers under unlawful counter-espionage surveillance.

    Danchenko was hired in 2016 to deploy a network of sources to dig up dirt on Trump and Russia for the Crooked Hillary campaign. He was arrested, jailed and convicted years earlier on multiple public drunkenness and disorderly conduct charges in the DC area and ordered to undergo substance-abuse and mental-health counseling.

    This was the source of the scum that the Left and the Fake News Media, along with the Deep Swamp hurled at Trump for four years. Comey, Schiff, Pelosi, Ohr, and the Left lied every time there was credible high quality evidence of Russian Collusion, Trump and company was telling the truth every time they said it was a fictitious nonsense. We were correct every time we posted the same, the ones posting here who maintained that the evidence for Russian collusion was voluminous and verified, were wrong, every time they maintained it. Every source run by fake news, the now infamous unidentified "former and current officials" were leaking falsehoods, and the fake news was spreading their lies like wild fire. It was always a lying campaign of propaganda coming from the Fake News Media and the highest levels of government. When Trump described it as Fake News, he was right. When Fake News denied it, they were lying.

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    Deep State Lying Scum Fiona Hill: She worked at the Brookings Institution with dossier "Primary Subsource" Igor “Iggy” Danchenko, and testified against President Trump last year during impeachment circus.
     
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    Looks like just another Dead-End Nothingburger.

    That said, please let me know when anybody is actually charged.
     
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    Well, Fiona Hill is not the disinterested speaker of truth that you have represented here.
    And that's precisely the point we have been making here. You seem clear on that when claiming that Trump was using the power of the Presidency to uncover Biden's bribery scheme, but then seem to lose the point when looking at Obama's illegal weaponizing of the powers we granted him for OUR security, illegally deployed against a presidential candidate that Obama wanted to see defeated, and then driven from office.

    Danchenko, the scum at the bottom of Dirty Hillary's Lying Dossier that Obama Administration illegally laundered into a FISA warrant, first ran into trouble with the law as he began working for Brookings - the preeminent Democrat think tank in Washington - where he struck up a friendship with Fiona Hill, the White House adviser who testified against Trump during last year's impeachment hearings.
    https://www.realclearinvestigations..._whose_boozy_past_the_fbi_ignored_124601.html

    Certainly the Dossier was a "Creative" pack of lies used as a failed propaganda blow torch by liars, leakers and the Fake News Media to try to overturn a Presidential election. Trump stood alone against the lying Mob and has been gloriously vindicated, his detractors and slanders revealed as low life liars.

    FIONA Hill is also close to his boss Lying Steele, who she’d known since 2006. She met with the disgraced clown during the 2016 campaign and later received a raw, unpublished copy of the now-debunked dossier.

    The FBI never asked Danchenko about his criminal past or state of sobriety when agents interviewed him in January 2017 in a failed attempt to verify the accuracy of the dossier, which the bureau did only after agents used it to obtain a warrant to surveil Trump campaign adviser Carter Page using information it lied to claim was VERIFIED. The opposition research was farmed out by Steele, working for Crooked Hillary's campaign, to Danchenko, who was paid for the information he provided.
    Every time we all told you this was a baseless pack of lies, we told the truth.
    Every time others claimed this was all valid and verified, that was a lie.

    Every time Trump said this was a pile of Fake News Driven lies, he was telling the truth.
    Every time the Fake News Liars said "no, it's all been verified by credible former and current unidentified sources", they were were printing lies.

    Brookings Institute and Lying Outlaw China:

    The Brookings Institution established research centers focused on China in Washington, D.C., and Beijing. The John L. Thornton China Center in Washington is widely recognized as the leading research center on China’s political system and its foreign and economic policies. The Brookings-Tsinghua Center for Public Policy at Tsinghua University in Beijing is a Chinese institution that informs China’s leadership and the Chinese policy community.

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    Strobe Talbott of Brookings with Crooked Hillary: He connected with Christopher Steele and passed along a copy of his dirty anti-Trump dossier to Fiona Hill.
     
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    When you start your "discussion" with multiple falsehoods there is no reason to read further.
     
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    My position is not to believe random claims by righties on this forum. Happy to look if you’ve got a credible source
     
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    Exactly, MG.

    And think about it:

    How many of these "this is the BIG ONE that Blows the Lid Off" have we seen in the last year?

    First it was This IG Report, Then it was That IG Report, Then it was "Bucket 5", then it was Horowitz, Nothingburger after Nothing Burger.

    Now it's Durham.

    Then eventually it becomes "According to John Solomon, Bat Boy told Jeff Epstein about Bucket 5" and these are the Most Credible sources since "sworn testimony" about the Roswell Love Children.

    Bottom Line:

    IF there was really "Any THERE. There" we would already know about it.

    IF these claims (by Solomon and others) were actually True, the Entire Obama Administration would be in Federal Custody (already).

    There is obviously NOTHING There.

    And, after awhile, people need to realize that John Solomon's latest fever dream isn't even worthy of a second glance.

    That said, when people are charged, I want to be the first to know.
     
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    If was your claim. If you could source it you would, you can't because it's wrong.

    MEET IGGY DANCHENKO, THE STEELE DOSSIER’S ‘PRIMARY SUBSOURCE:’ Paul Sperry of RealCearInvestigations has a stunningly detailed description of Danchenko, a Russian in the U.S. on a work visa, and his long connections to Christopher Steele, as well as the significant role played by the Brookings Institution’s Strobe Talbot, in funneling the Steele Dossier to the State Department.

    The Democrat side of the Washington Establishment was up to its collective neck in the effort to discredit Donald Trump and elect Hillary Clinton as President. When that effort blew up on election day, the discrediting campaign became both an attempt to subvert Trump’s presidency and a defensive coverup of the whole rotten, subversive conspiracy.
     
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    American Greatness comprehensively lays out the Brookings role in the conspiracy.

    Corrupt Subversive Brookings Institution: A Key Collusion Collaborator: The left-wing "think" tank helped perpetrate one of the biggest frauds in political history on the American people.

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    In December 2018, a previously well-regarded left-leaning think tank published a 4,500-word defense of the Steele dossier, the document central to the government’s charge that Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign colluded with the Kremlin to influence the outcome of the presidential election, it was all lies.​
    These clowns are as bad as the Outlaw Liars of Beijing.
     
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    When you claim that an OP has "multiple falsehoods" then you need to provide tell us what you claim are the falsehoods. Everything in the OP is supportable. Just because the MSM has not spoon fed it to you does not make it true. Just because the off the deep end extremist liberal politicians which have gained control of the DNC does not say it is true does not make it so. Newly declassified documents clearly shows that the investigation was based on a fake dossier. The most recent document release is a typed memo by Peter Strzok that debunked a NYT article where they claimed that Trump was meeting with Russians at Trump Tower. The latest Strzok stated that they had no knowledge of the Trump Campaign meeting with any diplomat from Russia. (Wait! Hold on! There was no evidence of the Russians meeting with the Trump Campaign? Then where was the collusion?)

    An additional document shows an interview with the "Primary Source" from the Steel dossier. The dossier stated that this person was a Russian National in a position with direct access to the Russians. The fact is that his "Primary Source" was hired by Steel at a Starbucks here is the US. He is a US citizen that once did a paper for the Brooking Institute (wait for it) titled "Putin Plagiarizer my Dissertation". Where have we heard of the Brooking Institute before? Response: They were the propaganda arm for the fake operation Crossfire. This interview was conducted in 2017. So, the FBI knew that the source was a US citizen with no credibility. Yet, they told the FISA Court that he was a Russian National, and was completely credible source. In other words, they lied.

    Now, if you ignore the facts in favor of the fake liberal narrative, then you are nothing but a fake news sheeple.
     
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    First sentence. Multiple falsehoods. No need to read further.
     
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    The first sentence of the OP?

    "Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham released declassified FBI documents on Friday that appear to undercut the reliability of British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s dossier and the case against onetime Trump campaign associate Carter Page."

    Maybe I should have said: ...the application for the FISA Warrant..." But the opening statement is still factual.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/17/lindsey-graham-russia-probe-documents-368045

    Or the first sentence of the article:

    "The FBI knew the Steel Dossier was fake."
    https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/16/james-comey-trump-dossier-credibility/
    I would have loved to use a to use a left leaning source, but the liberal press has ignored the topic. But the source of the daily caller is ABC news, and they offer a transcript of the interview.

    Or are you talking about the opening statement of the post that you are responding to:

    "When you claim that an OP has "multiple falsehoods" then you need to provide tell us what you claim are the falsehoods."

    If that is what you are claiming has "multiple falsehoods". That's just common sense. I know that liberals hate to use common sense, but you are not offering an arguement. In that case, it is you that should be ignored.
     
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    The democrats never fail to fail.
     
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    You don't remember White Water ?
     
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    Yes I remember it.
     

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