Newly Declassified Documents undercuts Steel Dossier

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  1. Zorro

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    And speaking of the framing of Flynn by the Corrupt Obama/Biden Administration, FBI and "Justice" Department. The paper trail on that horrific misdeed is also coming home to roost.

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    General Flynn, on an Iraqi Military base, working to confirm the remains of what was left of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s corpse.
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/31/the-michael-flynn-i-knew-in-iraq-was-a-brilliant-patriot/

    For four years now, we have been under a propaganda operation launched by the dirty Obama/Biden Administration, a pile of lies slowly and steadily being revealed by release of documentation of the depths of their misdeeds. They wove tales and lies of
    Some posting here seem to be the only one left who haven't realized that it was, always, nothing more than a pack of lies used as pretext so that Obama/Biden could spy on their political opponent, attempt to fix an election, and then failing that, try to drive Trump from office, they failed in that too. Now they are failing at keeping the cover up buried.
    Likely the worst our nation has ever seen.
     
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    The article on this originally are dated around July 16th and 17th....has there been an official declassification since?
     
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    Now, as a nation, we are finally coming to grips with the question:
    U.S. Attorney John Durham’s formal investigation is working on the answers and the road map to that, maybe along with the deliberations of a federal trial jury. But the burning question we all seek, how on earth was this allowed to happen?

    Well, one very important piece of the puzzle is Jim Comey’s lying along with the deep dishonesty of Andy McCabe, the 1 and 2 of the FBI during this period.
    So, how bad is it?

    What the FBI inflicted upon Flynn is beyond belief. The FBI bullied his legal representatives, Covington and Burling, into standing still while the the Obama Justice Department butchered his due process rights,
     
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    And if it happened to Flynn it could happen to anyone of us. He was targeted because he wanted to audit the corrupt intel agencies and he was a vocal critic of Obama's failed Afghan strategy.
     
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    The GOP needs to give it up.....they rigged the Senate investigation into Dump's shenanigans involving the Ukraine for all the world to see....Barr is so biased his very title is a joke...so here comes Linsey (I'll suck up to keep my standing in the party despite being maligned by Trump) Graham to the rescue. Puh-leeze! It's over guys..the Frankenstein monster you put up rubber stamp your bidding will cost you dearly in the upcoming elections...and regurgitations of old disproven lies won't help you.
     
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    Yes, except that they were a critical part of the disinformation campaign that is now falling apart in the light of these classified releases.
    - No. But, they do show that we were right the whole time. They were wrong the whole time. That this was always, a pack of lies, and that Trump's denials were always valid.
    - Faked up hoax, and they knew it even as they were using it to obtain illicit spying authority on their political opponents.
    - Yes, no where else is there the claim the forms the basis that would allow for one of these powerful spying authorities to be used against a US Citizen.
    Crooked Hillary
    - Lots, including a deliberately tampered document to conceal the fact that Carter Page was a CIA asset.
    - NO!
    - It's way worse! Nothing even approximating this was even an accusation. One guy in the Nixon Administration did prison time for simply LOOKING AT 4 FBI files of political opponents. What they did is quickly becoming undeniable, is the nightmare scenario posed by those that opposed the Federal Government even possessing these powers. What was once the in the realm of unbelieveable conspiracy theory is quickly becoming undeniable fact.
    - Trump would never be a part of such a thing. Trump's interesting, he is so full of bluster in his language pattern and on twitter, but when it comes real world actions, he acts with reasonable restraint at critical times. For example when he refused to go to war with Iran over a drone and fired the warmonger Bolton.
     
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    The Republicans have set the bar on all subpoenas ignore them right?
     
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    GMAFB! Flynn got nailed and paid the price. Deal with it. https://www.factcheck.org/person/michael-flynn/
     
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    McCarthy has been a Right Wing Kook for years..

    https://www.niskanencenter.org/op-e...nvincing-defense-of-the-president-on-ukraine/

    Also your complete dishonesty when posting really has destroyed your credibility.

    The entire NR article is total conspiracy theory. I've proven you 100% wrong regarding the Steele Document significance and so you try to seek solace in off topic B.S. "You stated facts and evidence don' require Trust "on post 119. That's just the point. You fail to realize that facts and evidence do require Trust. The facts and evidence are only as good as the reliability of the writer or source they are coming from. By not thinking this way you have given yourself license to be dishonest on most of your posts. You have literally shown us that you can make up any fiction you want on your posts and could care less about with it's true or not.
    But in your desperate dishonesty on your post 114you ran away from showing my post in full. All you did is take my post and fragmented it to the point where it was unrecognizable so thatno one could discern it's original meaning. Then in your desperation you reprinted the fragments (from my posts) and pretended to responded to them as if they were full and complete sentences from my original Post. Which they are not. Only Trump would stoop to this kind of fecal behavior and deceive the American people this way. He has no respect for the voters, democracy or the rule of law. Trump shitz on everything he touches and has turned our country into his personal toilet. No one really trusts this azzhole which is why polls show him as least Trustworthy. Only you along with a fragment of the voters trusts him. You've proven that pure B.S. and dishonesty is your stock in trade. With your belief that; "You stated facts and evidence don' require Trust" and on post 119 you've demonstrated that trust is the last thing you care about in your posts. :roflol: Feel free to post 2,6,or 5 posts at a time. they won't be looked at.

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    There is no such things as "Real journalists" anymore.
     
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    Please!!! The Trump has blocked subpoenas that requested material that is clearly covered under Executive Privilege. As many of us pointed out during the sham impeachment process, Executive Privilege does not have to be evoked by the President. All that is required is that the President or certain members of the cabinet were involved in the decision making process. Compare that the Operation Fast and Furious. Both Obama and Eric Holder claimed they had no knowledge of the operation that was being run out of an Arizona ATF office. Yet, when the GOP led Congress subpoenaed the documents relating to the Operation, Obama and Holder tried to claim EP. After years of back and forth court battles, it was finally ruled that EP did not apply. The Obama Administration still stonewalled until right before the end of his Presidency. That is a bar that can never be breached.
     
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    So many liberals deserve prison sentences over this!
     
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    Simply the most corrupt I have ever seen in my life, by leaps and bounds. Prove me wrong..........you can't.

    BUT, if we have learned anything the powerful are untouchable, nothing at all will come of the investigations in to the FBI crimes or the Obama deep state traitors.
    We hear this bull **** all the time about possible pending indictments and...............................bubkiss................nothing..................nada......................zip, however, Trump sneezes and it is IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Trump released a readout of the call that was also verified by witnesses. In the call when Zelenski (leader of Ukraine) stated he was ready to receive more of the (tank buster )missiles Trump immediately asked for a favor. This included information about a crowd strike computer and then a full investigation of Biden's son. Which would lead to Biden the candidate. Trump a full American traitor held back vital Missiles (needed for Ukraine's survival) in exchange for Ukraine's announcement that it was now investigating the Biden's. Trump used foreign policy as leverage so that a foreign entity would investigate the Biden's an American Political rival and make an announcement to the world that the investigation was underway. Trump hung himself by delivering a readout that he claimed was" the perfect call'
     
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    and when Obama told the Russian president he would have more flexibility after the election, you saw nothing wrong with that. Biden actually did do quid pro quo but you don't want anyone looking in to that.
     
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    Your logic is faulty and Wrong. .Saying you will have more flexibility is not a bribe or quid pro quo there is no exchange. . This is just pure B.S. and propaganda. The readout of what Trump called "the perfect call' shows how he blackmailed the leader of a foreign nation by asking a favor that Biden be investigated so as to destroy his political chances of winning a presidential election. Biden was the front runner by then And Ukraine desperately needed tank buster missiles. It was a investigation of Biden (and destroying his political chances) in exchange for missiles.
     
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    Looks like Trump's DOJ disagrees with the assessment by all those commenting that the FISA applications were unwarranted.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/stat...ational-security-john-c-demers-public-release

    "We are pleased that our review of these applications concluded that all contained sufficient basis for probable cause and uncovered only two material errors, neither of which invalidated the authorizations granted by the FISA Court. These findings, together with the more than 40 corrective actions undertaken by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Division, should instill confidence in the FBI’s use of FISA authorities."

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...ions-finds-almost-all-errors-are-minor-391101
     
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    Media Silent As Christopher Steele ‘Hero’ ‘Spymaster’ Narrative Crumbles.
    We were right the whole time.
    Trump was right the whole time.
    The Deep State, Obama/Biden Administration and Lying Fake New Media were lying the whole time.
     
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    that’s an out dated fact. check that doesn’t include all the evidence the mueller team was hiding.
     
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    that’s why we have IG’s...
     
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    These "Fact-Check"'s are as big of fake news liars as the lying fake news media.

    Democrats paying for the Mueller Report

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    The media is in denial that it matters that there is a gap in enthusiasm between the deplorable dregs of society behind President Donald John Trump and those social justice warriors backing Basement Biden.

    CBS reported the other day,
    The Hill even went so far as to say,
    Da, comrade.

    Democrats are in deep depression because for 4 years, they have tried everything to topple the man and he won't go down.
    They deserve to lose.
     
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    Of course but Trump's followers need a smoking gun even if they have to make one up.
     
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    We're seeing much propaganda regarding an enthusiasm gap between the two presidential candidates. The posts are quoting ultra right wing bloggers. The enthusiasm gap polling numbers themselves indicate no methodology. Completely hidden from view is where the polling numbers come from. A dishonest cover-up indeed.

    https://today.yougov.com/topics/pol...7/31/reality-check-trump-biden-enthusiasm-gap "

    "These differences in expressed enthusiasm for each candidate, for the election and in the perceived importance of voting for president raise a critical question:which measure is more predictive of turnout?

    Analysts at the Democratic polling firm Global Strategy Group found that questions on “motivation” to vote were better predictors of actual turnout (as validated by voting records) than questions on “excitement” about voting in elections in both 2018 and 2019. Their theory is that “motivation” captures a broader range of feeling than “excitement,” particularly when voters “are showing up to express dissatisfaction” with another candidate rather than just “showing up to vote for someone or to affirm something.” That distinction may be analogous to the expressions of “enthusiasm” and “importance” in regard to voting in the Economist/YouGov surveys.

    More directly relevant: A recent CBS News analysis found a similar gap favoring Trump in expressed enthusiasm for voting in November in five battleground state polls conducted in July by YouGov. However, the analysis also noted the limitations of the enthusiasm question in projecting turnout. In 2018, CBS/YouGov polls found similar levels of enthusiasm among Republicans and Democrats, but recontact studies conducted after the election “found that their pre-election enthusiasm did little to predict whether they actually voted, at least after controlling for their self-reported likelihood of turning out.”


    The recent CBS/YouGov battleground tracker survey also included a question on self-reported likelihood of turning out, and like the Economist/YouGov question on the importance of voting, it showed no significant gap between Trump and Biden supporters.


    Our recent analysis showed that unenthusiastic Biden supporters – who were more likely to have preferred Bernie Sanders – favored Elizabeth Warren as a vice presidential nominee more than enthusiastic Biden backers. Her selection would likely boost good will for Biden among these less enthusiastic backers, but would it boost their turnout? Perhaps not much. The Economist/YouGov data from July shows that even among Biden voters who are either dissatisfied or upset about Biden, nearly all consider it very (80%) or somewhat (8%) important to vote for President this November.


    Six years ago, Republican pollster Neil Newhouse, who was Mitt Romney’s pollster in 2012, was asked about gaps in voter enthusiasm. An edge in enthusiasm “is important to campaigns,” he said, as it can boost fundraising and volunteer support. But the Romney campaign had “the same type of enthusiasm gap” favoring Romney in 2012, “and sadly I learned that unenthusiastic votes count just as much as enthusiastic ones.”

    That lesson is one to remember in 2020"

    Methodology: The Economist surveys were conducted by YouGov using nationally representative samples of US adult residents interviewed online between July 5–7 (n=1500; MOE ±3.2%), July 12–14 (n=1,500; MOE ±3.3%), July 19–21 (n=1,500; MOE ±3.2%) and July 26–28 (n=1,500; MOE ±3.5%). These samples were weighted according to gender, age, race, and education based on the American Community Survey, conducted by the US Bureau of the Census, as well as 2016 Presidential vote, registration status, and news interest. Respondents were selected from YouGov’s opt-in panel to be representative of all US residents.

    Beware of polling numbers without sources.
     
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    The American people need to understand just how scandalous the Obama administration and its holdovers were...
    This is much bigger than Watergate:
    It was always, all lies.
    Trump's denials were always the truth.
    We were right the whole time.
    The Fake News Liars were pushing a blizzard of lies, the whole time.
    The Nation awaits Durham's report.
     

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