Next Trump impuence: US will "now put tariffs on $11 billion of EU products"

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  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The smart nations have always used tariffs but also non tariff trade barriers to protect their own economy, because( let the light bulb come on) it is a nations economy that feeds and provides living standards for its own people. And if these things did not work, more often than not, those nations would have stopped using both, a long time ago.

    Our founders instituted tariffs early on, out of intelligence, that informed them, unless you protect your businesses and workers from much cheaper labor, you would never have much of a manufacturing economy, which was essential in be independent and not relying upon other nations for feeding your own people. Not to mention only industrialized nations become powerful and healthy.

    Nothing has changed in principle since our founders used tariffs at least in regards as to why a nation needs them, given the cheap labor available from the poor in the world. To act as if they have, is nonsense, IMO. And indeed we can see what the failure to protect our own industry has wrought, as parts of our nation looks like an imploded empire, with the rust, the rot and people trying to make a living from a low wage service sector economy, of retail jobs.

    Economic nationalism will return one day, out of necessity and what not indulging in it has created in america. And these current times of max profit globalism will be seen for what it actually is, in reality. Another scheme to create greater wealth at the top, at the cost to the middle, as it continues to destroy that middle.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah me too. It original purpose, the cause of creating it, is no more, no longer exists as a condition.

    Not much different from us getting rid of horse stables and hitching posts in towns and cities once we no longer needed to use horses as transportation.

    The USSR no longer exists, nor does the communist revolution and the fear from communist aggression coming from the USSR. Indeed, russia is dependent upon europe to buy its oil, given this is the main source of income for that nation, which BTW has an economy the size of New York State, a most inconvenient fact ignored by the neocons in DC.

    There is no valid reason to keep NATO, that primarily serves today as a means of ramping up tensions with russia, given what NATO has done, contrary to the promise of the US, when germany was going to be reunified. Why anyone would want to ramp up tensions with one of the few nuclear powers that can destroy america and or europe, only shows how irresponsible the US and its neocons are. No one can look at this objectively, with an education and intelligence and see a need for NATO, and what it has been used for since the implosion of the old USSR.

    Russia is not a threat to democracy, but China is a real and present future danger to it. GIven it will be the largest economy on earth, and given their GDP is projected to be twice the size of the US and Europe's combined by 2030. And given their nationalism, that is baked into the chinese psyche, and that they are superior to all other nations and peoples on this earth. Reminds one of the nazis, and we know what their attitude led to.
     
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    The Germans have been sucking our teet for way too long....and then you want to bash us more while not telling the whole story. The US wasn't arrogant with Germany, just dumb. We should have just split Germany up and dissolved it after WW2. Germany is the cancer of Europe...always has been. And SOLELY because of Germany, the US has spent Trillions of dollars in that part of the world.
     
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    You sound like Archie Bunker sometimes....
     
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    Yes, time to clean up the last of the horse droppings and depart the area.
     
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    Agreed ...
    What all the stupid babblers do not want to get is that within NATO not only eneg friendships had arisen ... outside US stakes ... but also common command structures and "weddings" of armed forces.
    Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg (OK, they have far fewer soldiers than the LAPD Police Officers) and Denmark are at many levels closely organized, friendly and "married" to the armed forces. And since France is also a nuclear power with its own nuclear weapons ... this component is also available without the USA.
    This as an independent alliance is completely enough ... and is also quite powerful.
     
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    More poorly argued points.

    This issue goes back to 2004, and perhaps earlier. It's been quite some time since I dug into all this.

    Tell me what the EU has done since the WTO ruled many years ago that subsidies to Airbus by it's multinational government ownership were against the rules?

    I can help. Nothing.

    This is a far more complex issue than your misrepresentation is attempting. I've provided a link to the WTO in case someone really wants to dig into it.
     
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    We have a Commerce Clause; why does Government solve all problems for the right wing.
     
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    Your claim has no connection to anything to do with this issue.

    Take a deep breath and come back with something remotely credible. It would be a step in the correct direction.
     
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    What you want is for the president to make a bad situation worse. Airbus has a better safety record (airliners), and gets less subsidies to acheive it. Boeing is failing, playing 2nd or third place by now, even though being artificially propped up. Trump's actions only hurt American corporations, forcing them to buy an inferior product, or pay more through some ridiculous retaliatory tarriff), which in turn aqllows Boeing to still be second best (or third or wherever, and fall further behind perhaps...), and in the end makes Boeing's problem worse.

    Some capitalist you are, wanting to go all (literally) fascist, and make excuses for underperforming American corporations. We used to be better than this. This is why America has fallen so far on the world stage. You are advocating to fall further.

    Rewarding a company for being 2nd or third fiddle and punishing it's foreign competitor for making a better product is dowright anti American IMO.

    Be honest here, if you were getting on a plane, would you feel safer in a Boeing or an Airbus? Statistically you are lying to yourself if your answer is Boeing.
     
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    I dont think airbus makes a better tanker but I concede it could be cheaper

    But the US Air Force should still buy American
     
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    You simply don't understand the problem. Government solving all problems is not Capitalism.
     
  13. Mandelus

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    More poor answer ...

    Years is at least May 2018 ago ... and yes ... the dispute at all is old and goes back until 2004 or so ...

    But tell me ... why has the USA since first WTO rating in 2012 nothing done in reverse ... when you accuse us for the same? This is pure US hypocrisy!
     
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    As far as nothing speaks against it in my eyes and apart from the points you perform, that is always a public source of income too!

    But what I have a problem with is the way this psycho in the White House now justifies his step and why he does it. Because this is not only hypocritical with regard to Boing, but also disgusting attempt to put the Europeans once again in the eyes of his deluded fans and voters as the "dark side of power" ... even though the US is no better!
     
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    I was about to say this, nobody seems to ever talk about what is actually going on and instead just throws personal insults.

    This forum is starting to become tough to read
     
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    Are you serious?

    Trump use the WTO judgement of May 2018 as reason implement this bullcrap now ... ignores that the same WTO made in March 2019 a judgement against US and then you write that only personal insults are thrown? Hello?

    Nothing wrong what Trump does?
     
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    Didn't the EU respond by saying the IRS gives Boeing TAX SUBSIDIES???
     
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    how many Chinese have you talk to, zero right. so where do you get the idea that nationalism are in their psyche, and that they are superior to all other nations etc. what a load BS.
     
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    He has done an exceptional job of putting America first.
     
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    First in the moral gutter, yes. First in the Clown Of The Year Award, yes.
     

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