NFL players =< a pile of sh*t. Everything that is wrong with America.

As someone who knows football.....you are way out of your league

 

As a lawyer who has been directly involved in the process I kindly educated you on, you are way out of -your- league.

Every chump on the street is "someone who knows football." ROFL, thanks for the howl, what a hoot.

 

The rightwing saltine americans have woken a sleeping giant

 

Everyone on the internet is a lawyer. You lost

 

I see, you are just trolling for attention as usual, don't you have a pet for that or someone you can call? No more food for you, you are welcome for the pro bono simplification and general, not specific discussion, of certain aspects of professional sports law.

 

You think a player would not go to the press for anything done to him over this? The NAACP would organize protests at every game. This is hilarious

 

You are right about a couple of things. There has been a sleeping giant awoken, it -is- a meme related giant, but nothing like the one you posted.

Once the National Felon League history on being soft on criminals gets all memed up by the naughty net meme boys, it's gonna be a bad bad day, and on that day the NFL will regret not nipping this situation in the bud.

 

Jerry jones and the entire dallas cowboys took a knee tonight. You are losing this one

 

Here's an idea. You don't like it? Don't watch. You won't be missed.

 

the vast majority of Americans don't agree with this disrespect for the flag, if they stop paying tickets, NFL players will go broke and so will owners. i'm sure these people will be missed by people that depend on them, oh boy will they be missed.

People don't stop to just think how outrageous is it that people who can jump, run and score points are paid so much f money and are made out to be kings of this Country. Of course, we are the idiots for paying so much so we can be amused by these acrobats dancing and bashing each other. My hope is that one day Americans will stand up and stop paying, then you will see these guys beg for 100k salaries.

When Lebron speaks, the world stops, as if he's worthy of anything.. He is a 6'8 athletic man that can jump and throw a ball in a hoop, this is all he is to me. His words mean as much as the words of a person working at the local Mcdonald's, irrespective of the money he has.

 

You come off like a third rate ambulance chaser with a growing alcohol habit. Chill out champ this isn't muni arraignment court.

 

The owners would be idiots to rid themselves of their most valuable assets. Without these players, the NFL would be worthless.

 

Just imagine someone disrespected the Global Warming religion. Maybe that will help you understand.

 

Dodge fail. Better luck next thread.

 

Everything we have in this country, every comfort we enjoy, whatever wealth we may have, our independence and sovereignty, our security, our constitutional rights and freedoms, ... all of it ... was inherited by all of us in this country. Americans who came before us fought for it. They died for it. And they passed it on to us. And even today, there are brave young people who defend us and who die for us. And because of the sacrifices of those who came before us, other Americans built this country and its economy, giving us the highest standard of living in the world. And, we have evolved socially, ending slavery, and later, Jim Crow. Martin Luther King gave his life for the dream of equality. He succeeded, but he was willing to die for it. And in 2008 we elected our first black president. For purely political reasons, I didn't vote for him. But I was proud of America that day.

When I hear the anthem and see the flag, I think of those people who came before us. I think of those who fought and died for us. I think of those who built this country. I think of those like MLK who gave his life trying to make it a better country. I think of those who sacrifice and die for us even today. I think of the Gold Star families I know personally.

This is what the anthem and the flag represent to me. My reverence for it is really my profound gratitude for my fellow Americans who gave us everything. My respect for the flag is my respect for them. The nation the flag and the anthem represent are not simply geographical lines on a map. My nation is not just the citizens living here. My nation - the nation I give respect and reverence to - is the nation of Americans that includes the ones who are now long gone - who bestowed upon us everything.

This is what the anthem and flag represent to me and to millions of Americans. If you are wondering what it is we respect when we stand and cover our hearts, you may be asking the wrong question. It is not so much what we are showing respect for, but who we are showing respect for, for it is people who are the nation, past and present. It is just 2 minutes during which to reflect upon all of them. It is 2 minutes of humble gratitude to those we have inherited this country from.

Many of us think we should keep it that way. Some don't. But if those of us who stand and cover our hearts react with disgust at those who demonstrate during the anthem, it's because it's an emotional issue for the reasons I talked about. I'll admit it ... I've shot some arrows of disgust at those guys today on this website. But there are reasons for that, and I have tried to articulate them the best I can.

Where there is little or no freedom, there is little or no responsibility. Where there is freedom, there is responsibility and accountability. We have the right to exercise our freedom, but we may be held responsible and accountable for our actions as well. We are seeing that truth in the backlash these players and the NFL are experiencing right now. Nobody is against their right to demonstrate or to voice their opinions. But, surely, many are questioning the timing of it, that being during the anthem.

Sure, it's perfectly legal. I certainly wouldn't want to make it illegal. And if the owners don't care, they may go right on doing it. But they can expect a backlash, and they'll just have to live with it and not complain, for this is their choice.

Seth

 

The irony of this mess of a post is amazing (and frightening).

"Use your f brain" indeed.

How can Trump live with himself?

 

80% say Trump's remarks on this issue were wrong.

You're on the wrong side of this

 

non-responsive

 

Right on target as usual Seth. I was taught by my father who fought from 1942 through the end of the war under General MacArthur to respect the flag and what it represents. I have taught my sons to do the same. However I don't have a problem with these athletes using their platform to bring attention to what they feel is injustice being aimed at certain people. I remember when John Carlos and Tommy Smith gave the black power salute for the same reason in the '68 Olympics, and when Muhammad Ali gave up everything monetarily and risked going to prison stand up for what he believed in around the same time. Trump once again stuck his foot in his mouth. He needs to realize that he is not in some bar in Queens shooting his mouth off but rather speaking as the President of the US.

 

I don't understand your issues with the post in question. You apparently disagree with it, yet fail to point out a single flaw in the poster's opinions.

In what way is it a mess?

That political hacks are constantly lying about Trump is a fact of life. It would be hard for me to live with. I don't know how he does it.

 

Thanks. I will tell you that even though I generally support Trump, I understand what you're saying. There are times when I have absolutely cringed at some of his statements. I have mixed emotions about the "son of a bitches" remark he made. I'll agree that it was beneath the dignity we expect of a sitting president, but with a caveat. Because, at the same time, what major politician has called out those anthem kneelers? How many people have I heard telling me they wished the owners would not tolerate this? And how many times have I thought to myself that these rich, pampered, self-important babies don't know a *******n thing about what they're doing? And so I admire Trump for having the balls to call them out because, in our politically correct world, the kneelers scare the s--t out of most politicians. But yeah, I wish he had done it a little differently. I get it.

My respect to your father, Jack. I've been talking to another on the site whose great uncle was on the Bataan death march. It is people like your father and that other member's great uncle that I think of during the anthem. I don't care if anyone disrespects me, or Trump, but not them.

Seth

P.S. Ha! I see the site censored me. The words were akin to "gosh dang".

 

Here's a video of the very first perp in your graphic robbing a store, using strong-arm tactics, using violence - Brown was clearly a violent man, I do believe he also attacked the po-lice officer:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...souri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/

 

For anyone interested, I skimmed the CBA. This is the first thing I found, but in no way means it's the only way players are restricted in their speech. The actual player contracts are probably the site of the most specific restrictions, and a form follows:

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows....eral/2011_Final_CBA_Searchable_Bookmarked.pdf

Article 51, Section 6 "Public Statements" p.220 (informal cite)

"The NFLPA and the Management Council agree that each will use reasonable efforts to curtail public comments by Club personnel or players which express criticism of any club, its coach, or its operation and policy, or which tend to cast discredit upon a Club, a player, or any other person involved in the operation of a Club, the NFL, the Management Council, or the NFLPA."

More provisions, from the form player contract in Appendix A (not going to cite them), KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS JUST A FORM, NOT A BINDING AGREEMENT ON ANYONE, AND SPECIFIC CONTRACTS MAY OR MAY NOT CONTAIN THESE PROVISIONS AFTER NEGOTIATION.

"He agrees to give his best efforts and loyalty to the Club, and to conduct himself on and off the field with appropriate recognition of the fact that the success of professional football depends largely on public respect for and approval of those associated with the game."

"Player will cooperate with the news media, and will participate upon request in reasonable activities to promote the Club and the League."

"or if Player has engaged in personal conduct reasonably judged by Club to adversely affect or reflect on Club, then Club may terminate this contract."

"15. INTEGRITY OF GAME. Player recognizes the detriment to the League and pro-fessional football that would result from impairment of public confidence in the honest and orderly conduct of NFL games or the integrity and good character of NFL players." ... "or is guilty of any other form of conduct reasonably judged by the League Commissioner to be detrimental to the League or pro-fessional football, the Commissioner will have the right, but only after giving Player the opportunity for a hearing at which he may be represented by counsel of his choice, to fine Player in a reasonable amount; to suspend Player for a period certain or indefinitely; and/or to terminate this contract. "

The above are just the results of a quick skim, there could be more provisions possibly applicable, and I am not making claims as to whether or not any of the above applies, just thought some may find some of the actual contract provisions interesting to see.

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows....eral/2011_Final_CBA_Searchable_Bookmarked.pdf

 

well said Seth.

 

Seth, this is what i also admire and appreciate. There are many prominent black and white people who would love to condemn these NFL players but they are scared to death of the repercussions. The politically correct liberal media and mob seek to destroy anyone that dares take them on, especially business owners. There are some prominent black people out there who may want to condemn these NFL players but don't have the balls to do it, they fear the back lash.

I think Trump is a much more thoughtful person than he appears, he knows exactly what he's doing and i love how he just smashes political correctness and speaks his mind. Many more Americans should follow suit..