NHS on the brink.

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to Today just now, the NHS has lost 34,000, repeat thirty-four thousand, trained nurses in the last year. The government quango involved says that the figure 'is disappointing.' The reasons given are demoralisation, threats of violence, institutional bullying, stress, and the inability to provide enough care for patients because of sheer weight of numbers. Great, isn't it!
     
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  2. The Scotsman

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    ....and whats the joining rate?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know but I seriously doubt it was anywhere near the figure to replace them, do you?
     
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    Okay...lacks balance though huh....every year between 30K to 50K "leave" the NHS so based on that nobody should work for the NHS.....the numbers "joining" are equally as dynamic so the only real indictor is the vacancies and then you have to split that down into the various categories for example nursing, healthcare, midwifery, ambulance, infrastructure, scientific, technical etc etc. etc..... but I do love headlines its adds to the sense of the dramatic. Wouldn't it be boring if the headline said "30,000 Join the NHS!!" everyone would go.... "yeah...like so what"
     
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    latest stats....
    The headcount was 1,193,107 in September 2017. This is 6,586 (0.6 per cent) more than the previous month (1,186,521) and 17,439 (1.5 per cent) more than in September 2016 (1,175,660)
    The full time equivalent (FTE) total was 1,052,963 in September 2017. This is 5,984 (0.6 per cent) more than the previous month (1,046,979) and 15,909 (1.5 per cent) more than in September 2016 (1,037,054).

    thats from NHS Digital
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But statistics aside, does it not tell you something about the NHS as an organisation?
     
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    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    as an organisation... yes.... it should be divorced from Government.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And passed to a PFI organisation - like Carillion perhaps?
     
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    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    why not.... if I was a radiologist for example why could I not set up a practise in the high street and accept patients same for gynies or pysios... why are we all herded to hospitals?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you could afford to buy the radiology equipment, staff it, and set it all up in your local high street as a going concern then I daresay you would be able to. I don't see why you wouldn't be.
     
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    there you go...PFI....not like carrilion.... is that a new number... more than a billion less than a trillion.... a carrilion...??
     
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    There was a net loss of around 3000 nurses last year, the first time in recent years there has been a significant reduction, which is why it hit the headlines. A major factor in the overall figures seems to be a large reduction in nurses from the EU joining, presumably due to concerns surrounding Brexit.
     
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    They do that here in the US. I hear radio commercials at work for getting an MRI from a place that does nothing but MRIs and then sends the info to the doctor for you. Its cheaper than using the ones in the hospital and while they have on site specialists your doc is still given the information to diagnoticatize you with.
     
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    According to the data the following seems to be the case..??
    European Union (All age bands)
    2016-2017 Joined 2,791 Left 3,985
    2015-2016 Joined 5,957 Left 3,119
    2014-2015 Joined 5,977 Left 2,416
    2013-2014 Joined 4,984 Left 1,553


    All nationality groups All age bands
    2016-2017 Joined 30,388 Left 33,440

    The figures are not just nurses but health visitors etc. etc....make of that what you will...
     
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    I wish the OP was more accurate.
     
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    yeah....why be accurate when you can get a dramatic headline....
     
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    All the OP did was hurt the position of people that don't think the NHS is as amazing as it claims to be when they post completely dishonest stuff like this.
     
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    The OP has been easily discredited in 16 posts.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well I wish that I could be as laid-back about as you. You might have a change of mind if you need to go into hospital in the foreseeable future, then you'll become more concerned about the dire shortage of expertise than effing numbers?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what are you saying isn't 'accurate'? I mean we need more than that pointless one-liner to engage in a discussion.
     
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    Then make that as the primary topic of the OP rather than the numbers. Glad to discuss any wider points you wish make and would probably agree with them. As you know i’m not a great fan of the NHS model.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another pointless one-liner? Do you want to discuss or not?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't know it was going to morph. [​IMG] :nana:
     
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    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    he was the wee plasticine fella....whats' morph got to do with it....:)
     
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    It is wonderful. The NHS has been going strong for over 65 years. The people must love it!
     
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