No Drug Tests For Food Stamp Recipients, Feds Tell Georgia

Paying people to do nothing is not employing them.





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You don't really believe in Capitalism, do you? How can eliminating a poverty of money in our Institution of money based markets be a bad Thing for any private sector merchant engaged in Commerce?

 

The same way eliminating a poverty of the number "5" in your check book can screw it up. In accounting, the absence of something has as much meaning as it's presence. Fill in gaps arbitrarily and the system becomes meaninless.




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I would agree with you if this suggestion had come from the right. However, it is merely economics based. Full employment of resources in the market for labor can be achieved by using Socialism to bailout Capitalism, like usual. Unemployment compensation is a simple way and a simple means to achieve the end, of solving for a natural rate of unemployment by solving for a poverty of money usually associated with unemployment. In this manner, we could solve simple poverty at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage that can be applied for on an at-will basis by labor. It really could be that simple to lower our tax burden by reducing the need for the Expense of Government.

 

You're suggesting we pay everyone a minimum amount, even if they don't work. What will people spend that money on when everyone decides not to work?



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You really don't believe in Capitalism, do you. Why do you believe the laws of demand and supply will cease to exist, if Socialism bails out Capitalism, like usual?

 

I don't. I think money will loose all significance if you print an infinite supply of it.



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as long as 10% of the country has 90% of the wealth, we will always need to print more, the choices are.. get the rich to spend, tax the rich more... or print more


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Red herrings are not very credible. Why should we print an infinite supply of it merely to ensure full employment of resources in the market for labor? Do you not really believe in market based metrics while claiming to believe in Capitalism?

 

In Arizona they do drug testing for food stamp applicants so nobody has stopped them.

 

Just another costly government program that produces no actual solution, blah...blah...blah.

 

Money is just an IOU. You give it to someone when want something from them but don't want to offer something of equal value in return.

You got a problem with all the IOUs piling up in front of 10% of the folks at the table. The answer isn't printing more IOUs or redistributing the promises already made. The solution is getting the majority to start making good on the existing IOUs.




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You apparently believe in the fallacy that there is just a fixed amount of wealth.

 

Any suggestions under Any form of Capitalism?

 

Solve peoples problems, charge them for it. Exchange that for what you want from other people.



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Why did some People invent States and statism if it has always been that easy and that simple?

 

Drug testing those on food stamps is just another invasion of big government into the lives of individuals, most who are living in poverty. I can't see how any republican who is against obama's wire tapping and other unconstitutional activities can support this. I think many republicans are pretty apathetic, some are just confused. And I am no democrat.

 

Life isn't always easy and simple. That doesn't mean you get to make your life my responsibility.




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It seems the right doesn't really have a problem with Socialism bailing out Capitalism as long as they can bailout the wealthiest and blame the least wealthy for it.

 

I imagine many would say the difference is whether the person is making claims of incapacity and asking for help. We know that drugs are a problem for many folks become incapable, so before we just hand someone money who says they need our help because they're incapable we ask for an assurance that drugs aren't the issue.

There's a big difference between that and saying the state can watch or listen to us whenever it wants.

I'm ambivalent about this one, but I don't think it sets any precedence for government wire taps.




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It may depend on how much nanny-State we can afford while claiming we can lower taxes.

 

I agree that there are flaws and they need to be fixed. Unfortunately, yes, a lot of people on food stamps have been known to have drug problems and actually 'sell' the food stamps (not sure how, but I have heard about this) for drug money. I understand the reasoning behind the drug tests. However I don't want some people who are in need of pain medicine (opiates) and who can't get them because they are wrongly labeled as drug seekers by doctors and the DEA be punished for getting whatever they need from another source. Of course you are right, most people that take drugs are just partying and abusing the system, either they aren't in need of pain meds, and just like to use the money to score something to get high while they drink and abuse their kids. Or they are addicted and don't want help (help is hard to get though), anyone can become addicted to narcotics, even doctors. Long term opiate abuse turns your brain into swiss cheese. Its a disease (literally) and is a tragedy. Opiates can be just as dangerous as the ebola virus, no joke, I have seen what heroin and oxycodone have done to people I grew up with, it changes them, and some of them aren't even bad people. They are saints, but the drug literally destroys their brain matter. Soldiers with PTSD end up on that stuff for injuries, and it first calms their nerves, then takes over their brain, and makes their PTSD progressively worse driving them to either death from the drug or suicide. I have heard of this happening to our american veterans, these men and women are heroes. Their PTSD is often untreated, they aren't monitored by competent physicians, they aren't treated with the respect and care they deserve. Society throws them out, people chew them up and spit them out, and these are tough people to start with. Some of them choose drugs as a last resort because of the lack of mental help, or good mental help. Opiate addiction is a disease that has destroyed so many of these good people, the percocet, the vicodin, then the heroin when they run out of their supply. I have seen opiates destroy the strongest of people, good people, non-violent people that have hurt themselves with these drugs due to post traumatic stress.

Anyway, thats way off topic, but sometimes conservatives like Sean Hannity see drug dependence as a personality or character defect. Not all drug users suffer from this disease, some are bad people that make bad choices and they just like to party, but a lot of the good people, including veterans simply fall through the cracks of a broken system that makes innocent people suffering from drug dependency into criminals, at least in the eyes of the public. They aren't.

I don't care for the idea of drug tests, but I understand the reasoning. I don't care for the DEA at all or many doctors however. I despise the war on drugs just as much as I despise drug abuse and what it does to the victims of it.

 

The basic premise is that if I have to take a drug test to have a portion of my paycheck taken to support others, then those people need to be tested before they can get it.
This rule should also apply to cops, prosecutors, judges and politicians as well as the private citizen.
If you want what I have to get tested to earn, it should be no different for those who receive it. Period. In order for this law to be fair, it needs to be applied equally across the board or it becomes the worst of discrimination on the part of government. "The law applies to thee and not me" syndrome..........

 

I only take the right seriously when they are emotionally and socially mature enough to insist on Nanny-State tax rates to pay for it, with the other Peoples' money.

 

Government workers should face employment drug test just like the rest of the workforce. Elected politicians are unique to that however. Could you require them to take on as "pre-employment" I don't think it would hold up to a court challenge because they are elected by the people not applying of a government job.

There is a specific reason to have those on welfare be drug free............so they can accept an employment offer. The purpose is not to catch them using drugs but to ensure they are drug free so when a job offer comes they can pass the test to accept it. The purpose of welfare is to sustain a person until they can find a job so it is perfectly reasonable for the taxpayer to require the person receiving the benefit meet that criteria.

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It's ensuring the person is ready to accept a job and can get off the taxpayer dole.