"No evidence for Trump claim on 'terrorists': government sources"

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    "President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that U.S. authorities had “caught 10 terrorists,” citing it as a reason for why the United States should build a wall on its Mexican border, but four government sources said there was no recent evidence of terrorism suspects being caught along the border."

    "“People are pouring into our country, including terrorists,” Trump said. “We have terrorists. We caught 10 terrorists over the last very short period of time. Ten. These are very serious people. Our border agents, all of our law enforcement has been incredible what they’ve done. ... We need the wall.”

    "The president did not say when or where the “terrorists” were caught. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment about his remarks."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...OB05Y?rpc=401&

    Let me see if I got this straight, the President, in a live televised exchange, a heated exchange at that, flat out lied, made up his own facts wanting to convince Americans that his argument was legitimate, correct?
     
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    their a lot of iffyess their so trump might of stretch a fews lines~-.._ along the way:rolleyes:
     
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    You'd think that lefties would stop believing unknown sources given the number of times those "sources" claimed by lefty propaganda outlets have lied to them.

    but nope.... gotta keep on...
     
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    Everybody knows how citing "government sources" is as good as citing the baby jesus hisself.
     
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    Well, even if true, then why hasn't the White House when requested not delivered the proof that these supposed terrorists were caught at the border?
     
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    Guess they don't match up to Sean, Glenn, Rush, Bill, Laura, and Tucker in your world
     
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    Maybe because whoever is asking isn't worth a turd that won't flush?

    All I know is that you might want to start being a bit skeptical when lefty propaganda outlets use anonymous sources.
     
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    When requested, failing to back up what you claim is I'd say pretty much an admittance of guilt, they ain't got the facts to support it

    He lied, plain and simple, hell, he lies so much why would anyone expect confirmation on anything he utters, Trump makes it up as he goes along
     
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    I can't recall quoting anybody in that list. The only one I even bother with is Tucker, and that's only because he's the right wing version of Jerry Springer. I don't know how he does it, but he manages to get the most insane people on his show.
     
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    Almost as bad as trumps claims with NO source lol
     
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    I'll admit that Trump tends to err on the side of hyperbole, but when the POTUS says something, that's not an anonymous source. So we've got the President on one hand saying ten terrorists were recently caught trying to illegally enter the country, and on the other we have "four government sources" saying that they don't have any knowledge of terrorists being caught.

    They could have asked me and I'd say the same thing. I have no knowledge of terrorists being caught, and your propaganda outlets could list me as a source. Honestly, I don't have a clue what's going on at the border, so I'd be telling you the truth. Then you'd turn around and quote the rag that quoted me saying "hell if I know" and then treat that as gospel.
     
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    How he does it? Simple, just like Springer, he schedules them, it is all scripted, the last thing any demagogue is going to do is have any individual on who is going to intelligently challenge what they say, it's theater, a full melodrama played out nightly with the necessary good guys and bad guys
     
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    That might be true, but then how do you explain the White House's inability upon request to provide the facts of ten terrorists being caught?

    Usually, when one can't back up what they say it is judged a lie
     
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    If we give the president the benefit of the doubt and assume 10 terrorist were caught trying to cross the border, how long can we legally hold them without charging them and releasing the information to the public? Can they be held indefinitely without trial and in secrecy?
     
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    "inability"? Ya know, the incredible amount of sophistry you employ doesn't really help you. Assuming you believe what you write, you take anonymous sources saying "I dunno" to mean that Trump lied. Then you think that just because Trump doesn't give some reporter requested info, then that means he's incapable of providing that info.

    He's got a press secretary for that kinda stuff, and she's pretty good at dealing with the morons in the white house press corp.

    Another problem is that since these ten were presumedly recently caught, then that means they have only been identified as being members of a terrorist organization, thus it's an ongoing criminal trial and we all know how much you would hate it if Trump were to interfere with an ongoing criminal case. Add MS-13 or Surenos to that list of terrorist organizations and if it's only ten, then I say we need a lot more border security.

    Maybe the biggest problem in all of this is that you've managed to latch onto this as something important. If the President says that ten were caught, and you have no knowledge that what he said isn't true, then why go out of your way to point out that you and AP have only anonymous sources that say they don't have any knowledge of the matter. Hell, the article doesn't even say which department of the government, or how highly placed they are.

    Yet you run with this fake news as if it's real, adding yet even more fake news to confuse people with.
     
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    The BPC operates a bit differently in that they aren't bound by the constitution. You know, those immigration dudes who you deal with when trying to enter the country? They have a few rules like they have to allow people who have provided proof of citizenship into the country, but people who aren't American citizens are in limbo until they are given a visa.Hell, even American citizens don't have many rights with them. They can detain you for as long as they want and don't have to explain why. An American citizen detained for an inordinate amount of time might possibly have a case, but I wouldn't know on what grounds since until you are actually admitted into the country, you have no constitutional rights.

    Try watching that Tom Hanks movie where he has to live in an airport terminal to get an idea of the situation.
     
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    "President says that ten were caught, and you have no knowledge that what he said isn't true," except the fact that upon request Trump, nor his press secretary, or anyone in the White House can deliever any proof that ten terrorists were caught.

    Just because Trump says something doesn't mean it is automatically true, actually, given his track record, the opposite is more likely
     
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    Unnamed government sources also claimed that the FBI wasn't illegally spying on Trump's campaign.
     
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    They weren't "illegally spying on Trump's campaign," well, unless you believe the BS Fox demagogues as Hannity preach

    Now returning to the topic of the thread, the fact that upon request Trump, nor his press secretary, or anyone in the White House can deliver any proof that ten terrorists were caught pretty much confirms that Trump made it up, he lied, regardless of what any sources said
     

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