No. Korea nuclear missile threat

Discussion in 'Nuclear, Chemical & Bio Weapons' started by waltky, Dec 25, 2015.

  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Just to add if it was found that the first ICBM launch by North Korea was a missile with a nuclear warhead atop it the U.S. would IMMEDIATELY respond by flying a number of B-2 Stealth Bombers over North Korea dropping Tactical Nukes destroying the North's entire Military/Industrial Complex as well as all missile sites, Nuclear Sites and Troop Concentrations.

    We would not use Strategic Nuclear Weapons at first.

    But rest assured North Korea would no longer exist as an entity and it would be removed of any and all Military capability.

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  2. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is your problem: The naïvete of "trust me" and the Joan Wayne philosophy of intimidation. I have high-lighted the fundamental flaw in your argument below.

    This is adolescent imagination. Reality is not represented in Hollywood cinema, nor does "based on a true story" lend any insight to anything other than idealistic nationalism for the purpose of abusing your tax dollars.

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  3. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    But you with your whish full thinking should be taken serious?
    And what are you doing in the Army? collecting paper clips in a staff? No one believes that you are this hard born soldier you always play...
     
  4. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would take you seriously, but you're European.

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    I would take you seriously, but you're European.
     
  5. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    if no argument left, the personal attacks on the opponent of own opinion is only left at least as usual.
    Yes I'm European and if you think I will answer in some sort of "but you are only American" then you can wait until hell is frozen. I have deep respect for American people and some silly blabbering of trolls like now will not cause such a change in my mind!
     
  6. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's no argument.

    1. The US strategically surrounds China
    2. Europeans are weak and rely on the US for everything

    Undisputable facts
     
  7. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Undisputable facts are ...

    1. these few left bases are not more as a stumble stone for China if at all any sort of obstacle!
    2. What if USAEUR is left is only a joke and no European relies on these "troops" if not reinforced. Fact is, too, that is was the USA who wanted to have the leadership and the saying in NATO, so they have duty. If they won't fulfill this duty anymore ... and you still published your hate on Europe thoroughly ... then go out and let us alone, but shut up and don't count on any European if you start BS wars like in Iraq again as we can not count on you and your eliminated core values!

    Fact is too that I'm surprised that you are on one hand so Anti-European and want to go out at best yesterday, but on other hand you point out foreign bases of US. So no problem for you to give your soldiers life for Korea, Japan, Philippines if necessary or only to spent your time there in countries where majority of population is Anti-American?
     
  8. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HAHAHAHAHA. You consider "bases" but not fleets, air IAAs and M runners??

    LOL what cereal box did you crawl out of? You know absolutely NOTHING about strategic military. No wonder Europe is always so easy to take over. You guys don't know squat! LOL
     
  9. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Ha ha ha ... and do you count what the Chinese have too, or do say in arrogant way "nothing" and end of discussion?
     
  10. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Chinese have ONE aircraft carrier and can't match IAAs or runners by the thousands. What do they teach you guys in Europe? "How to lose a war"
     
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    Thanks for the video AA, freaking impressive. I'd rather my tax dollars go to the defense of the country than say Solyndra.
     
  12. AboveAlpha

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    Your welcome.

    We also have SM-3's as well as SM-2's based in the Burke Class Destroyers as well.

    There is a U.S. Navy Lieutenant who is a member on this forum that I talk to occasionally who just as I do get's a real good chuckle every time some member here goes on about North Korean ICBM's or even funnier the supposed Chinese Carrier Killer Missiles.

    If necessary we could blow these missiles out of the sky if they were launched at the U.S. or at U.S. Allies or Naval Craft.

    A Burke Class carries 24 of the SM-3's alone and that video is from what? 9 years ago???

    We have made our ABM's much better since that time and they were accurate in the extreme back then as it was!!!

    But when we finally get the FEL....Free Electron Laser system deployed as FEL's will be installed on all U.S. Navy Carriers and Cruisers.....they will along with a worldwide Satellite Targeting and Acquisition system be able to shoot down or vaporize a target anywhere anytime be on land, in the air or space and on or under the seas.

    The Ford Class Carriers such as CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford and the CVN-79 J.F.K. and CVN-80 Enterprise have in them TWO of the A1B Nuclear Fission Reactors each reactor capable of 300 Megawatts of output power for a total of 600 Megawatts per carrier.

    The U.S. Navy intends to have 100 Megawatt FEL's up and running in the late 2020's.

    AA
     
  13. Mushroom

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    I have been laughing about the DF-21D since China announced it. An ICBM that can locate and hit an aircraft carrier at sea and kill it with kinetic energy? Laughable at best, and even though they say it is in service it has never even been tested against a moving target (just a static ship that was anchored).

    I doubt it could even find and hit a target, let alone get through all of the defenses.

    And pretty much the same with North Korea. They do have an IRBM in the KN-08/KN-14, which they claim to have modified to ICBM range. But the only known tests of the system (October 2016) have both been failures. Plus the inherent problem that all but 1 of their long range missiles are based on old Soviet designs from the early 1970's, and are liquid fueled.
     
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    Was the DF-21D ever tested against an actual ship?? I knew it had been 'tested' on an outline of a carrier out in the Gobi, but I hadn't heard that it had ever even been flown after that. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese just launched the thing out into the desert, located the impact craters, then layed out the 'carrier' around them.
     
  15. Mushroom

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    The only test I have heard of them doing at it were hitting static targets on the ground. That is not a true test, and not something any other ballistic missile can not do.

    I laugh at it because they have yet to show they can hit a moving target, let alone one over the horizon that they have no "eyes on" tracking of.
     
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    I wish I could agree with you, but my strong impression is that you are being far too self-confident about the capabilities of the U.S. against a N Korean missile attack. First, the success rate for our anti-missile missiles is not that great, so it's risky whether we'd be able to shoot their missiles down before they hit their target. Second, even if the NK missiles missed their target, wherever they did actually hit would become an instant horror scene that no country could simply ignore. Furthermore, the truth is only a handful of direct hits on our major cities would incapacitate us as a society and a nation. Out entire grid system would collapse. How would we fight and survive the aftereffects of a nuclear attack at the same time. Every target hit by nucs would be in worse shape than Puerto Rico is now after the hurricane. How would we deal with that kind of devastation? Also, have you given any thought to what issues we have with N Korea that are important enough to risk actual nuclear war to resolve? I have, and can't think of anything. Would we willingly offer up millions of Americans to potential nuclear death just to defend our thin-skinned President, who refuses to even talk with N Korea in search of a peaceful agreement. How do you resolve conflicts without being willing to even talk about the issues? For me, Trump's sensitive ego is not even on my list of things worth going to war over--with anyone. I see many similarities between N Korea's Kim and our current occupant of the Oval Office in terms of personality. For me, it is beyond imagining that our great nation could come to such an ignoble end after such a long, successful run toward the ideals given us by our Founding Fathers. That would be more than a tragic waste. We must do better.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Needless to say the use of nuclear weapons has consequences; its something Washington needs to think about.
     
  18. Thingamabob

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    The situation is - as it always has been - that without NK nuclear capabilities:
    1. North Korea will never be taken seriously
    2. The US will have one less reason NOT to run rampant around the world.
     
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    Here's more:

     
  20. JakeJ

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    No, the USA does not have the ability to quick detect and shoot down any missile from North Korea. Kim Jung Un is a mass murderer sadist who doesn't care how many North Koreans die. He greatly enjoys killing them himself.
     
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    North Korea is a province of China that China controls. All actions by NK are actions by China, with China using NK to deny their part in it. NK and Kim Jung Un would not exist but for China. North Korea IS China.
     
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    Once again, we do not have the means to shoot down any intercontinental ballistic missiles on a minute's detection and notice.

    Ending the existence of North Korea would do NOTHING to eliminate the mass destruction to the USA, the USA's economy and the political chaos, nor bring one American back to life.

    It is not speculation. Kim Jung Un via his foreign minister has stated that he absolutely will launch missiles against the USA as soon as possible. Our inaction is NO different than if Japan had told us they were attacking Pearl Harbor, sending us photos of their aircraft carriers coming our way - and our response was "they're just trying to be relevant and, besides, their ships can't travel that far and we can easily shoot down all their crummy aircraft" - begging Germany to restraint Japan.

    North Korea will launch nuclear warhead missiles at the continental USA's major cities. It is only a matter of when. He is a true sociopath and sadist and will see this as giving him historic immortality. With such devastation to the USA, China then will - as is their goal - become THE power controlling the entire Pacific theater. China wouldn't give a damn if every North Korea was killed in retaliation as that retaliation would change nothing.

    We are learning just how irrelevant American lives are to our American government.
     
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    There are a LOT of Democrat supporters of Kim Jung Un on the forum.

    Your opinion is that Kim Jung Un can launch all the nuclear warheaded missiles at the USA that he wants to, but unless he actually successfully obliterates DC, NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami and Houston, really we shouldn't do anything but airstrikes and then assume China will take over a country it has already been in control of for over half a century.

    That is an astonishing viewpoint and still another reason we must NEVER allow Democrats to control the White House again.

    I'm guessing that is your view about police and murderers. Anyone can shoot at the police or anyone else and unless they actual hit their targeted people nothing should be done about it.
     
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    I'm a Democrat, and I disagree with EVERYTHING you said here. If you're going to assume the responsibility of speaking for Democrats, you should strive to be better informed.
     
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    You're a rare one. Glad there's a democrat out there with a brain.
     

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