No Planers - Suicide To 9/11 Discussion

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  1. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Hey Bob, they said that did they? So, let's just for the sake of argument concede he is talking about their investigation. He isn't, exclusively, but ok. So you believe what he says. This was also said:

    "Mr Kean, a Republican, spoke of a failure "of policy management, capability and above all imagination; on that September day we were unprepared. We did not grasp the magnitude of a threat that had been gathering over a considerable period of time."

    He conceded that the 10 commissioners had "the benefit of hindsight" that the hijackers "were flexible and resourceful" and it could not be known "whether any single step or series of steps would have defeated them".

    But he said none of the counter-terrorism measures adopted before the attacks disturbed or delayed the progress of the al-Qa'eda plot."

    And of course, you don't believe that bit huh?

    That's the major difference between you and reality. You interpret his complaint to mean a bullshit conspiracy rather than an attempt by the government and security services to gloss over its gross incompetency. You selectively believe part of what he says and disregard everything they conclude because it doesn't fit with your notions.
     
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  2. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Yes and much more. One former member also said this:

    9. Sen. Max Cleland resigned as a result of #7 (see below), labeling the 9/11 investigation a scam and obstruction.

    7. The 9/11 Commission cut a deal with the Bush administration essentially allowing them to dictate who on the 9/11 Commission could see what evidence and also limited the evidence the 9/11 Commission had access to.


    It's not just about what they said, the 9/11 Commission was a scam from start to finish. It was designed to coverup the massive crime that was 9/11 and was not an investigation by any universally accepted standard for a criminal investigation, never mind one of the magnitude of 9/11. What the Commissioners said is also embodied in the 9/11 Commission Report itself where they published a disclaimer for 2 entire chapters (Chapters 5 and 7) at page 146 and admitted their DELIBERATE failure to investigate:

    21. The 9/11 Commission claimed in their report that "their aim has not been to assign individual blame", thus making a mockery of the "investigation".

    25. The 9/11 Commission failed to investigate key events and issues, such as the destruction of WTC7 (unmentioned) and the financing of 9/11, deeming it of "little practical significance" (in direct contradiction to all criminal investigation standards).


    Reality is that I have nothing to do with 9/11 or the 9/11 Commission or their report. These "investigation" scams (including NIST) stand on their own recorded history (i.e. FACT and REALITY) as massive criminal scams. What YOU personally make of the 9/11 Commission, their report and quotes from their members is irrelevant to me as is your assessment of me. I have zero interest in your apologist position other than what I can use from it to expose the FACTS about 9/11 and its aftermath.
     
  3. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Bob,

    You ignore the facts under the crazy umbrella of "we don't have them all" and the alternate tin foil hat covering "the ones we have" don't fit in with your preconceived notions.

    Never in your jumbled up thinking does the concept appear, of an incompetent government covering their asses. In your world, foul ups and dodgy dealings equate to evidence-free claims of no planes and a whole myriad of equally absurd hogwash.

    If you ever managed to expose a fact under your own steam, two alternatives would occur. If it contradicted your poorly thought out claims you would dismiss it, if it complimented them you would make lots of noise about it.
     
  4. cjnewson88

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    I too share the same sentiment. Elements within the CIA, including I believe George Tenet, knew of Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar living and training in the US for over 16 months prior to these attacks. They did not tell the FBI, they did not tell the White House, not even the POTUS or his senior staff. Personally I believe the CIA were using Saudi Intelligence officers to recruit these two into becoming informants inside al-Qaeda, and that they thought it had worked until it was too late. Is there evidence for this? Not really. There are a set of facts that we know are true, and we're trying to piece these together to have them make sense.

    Unfortunately this could be the real conspiracy that could have actually been something legitimate. But the 9/11 'truthers' filled up the internet with so much nonsense of no planes and controlled demolitions that everyone else just ignored it all. So now no one is interested. Ironically, 9/11 'truthers' actually helped the CIA get away with covering it up. Well done guys, well done.

    Yeah because **** nuance right? You're either with us or against us, right? There's no middle ground, no crossing over, you're either a full fledged conspiracy believer following them all, or you're a government obeying official story drone?

    That's the problem with you americans these days, you're so full of being totally to one side or the other. I see it every day in your political news and street protest videos coming out of the US. You can't stand people who support ideas of both sides. Your way of believing things makes you turn anything into a religious like cult.
     
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  5. Bob0627

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    That would be the same thing (more or less). If you're a government obeying official story drone then you're a full fledged official conspiracy believer following it all.

    That's a characteristic of the human race in general, not just Americans.
     

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