Non binary and that sort of thing.

You must take pains, seeking out these people who so irritate you. I have never heard of anyone, asking to be referred to as, "non-binary." Nor have I ever run across the word, "zer." You aren't finding these terms in conventional, mainstream places (other than perhaps Facebook, which is its own comprehensive universe; and these terms would be nearly impossible to find in any of the conventional, mainstream parts of it). So something about this, must intrigue you, or you must find some gratification through your outrage, to search with the goal of being exposed to them.

 

The pride issues come from being devalued when you are part of that group. I am willing to bet, especially with all of LBGT becoming more and more accepted as a normal part of society, Pride will go away, save maybe as a historical point. Because we will be at a point where no one will care what you are except when it comes to shagging or selecting a mate. The same with many of these disorders. Already we have the movement with regards to disabilities that are not readily visible and the accommodations to such people. My one wife is such a person. She had a car accident when she was a young adult, and as such she cannot walk for long distances. But under general circumstances you can't tell. Sadly she often gets told that she doesn't need the scooter or wheelchair because she doesn't look disabled. So yeah I do see disorders, physical or mental or emotional, rising up similar to the way the other Prides have. Maybe not using "pride" as part of it, but still.

 

Yes, announced and celebrated pride is a reaction to and rejection of shaming. Society was telling homosexuals to be ashamed of their homosexuality, so the progressive step was to reject that, and be proud of it.

It actually makes no sense whatsoever to be proud of one's sexuality absent the shaming, so gay pride will subside (hey, that rhymes ). The industry built up around the issue will make it linger for a while, but eventually it will fade away.

 

That is a picture of a biological male.

 

That is a picture of a biological female.

 

There are only two sexes (or "genders") -- man and woman.
To deny this is to deny science.

A man, whether he happens to possess more "masculine" traits or more "feminine" traits, is a man.

A woman, whether she happens to possess more "feminine" traits or more "masculine" traits, is a woman.

 

Back that up. That is a trans man, a person who was born a woman, and had SRS surgery. If you are using birth genitalia/DNA to define biological, then that is a biological woman.

Same call for backup. That individual was born with a penis.

 

What determines the sex? SRY gene? Chromosome combination? Genitals?

 

People who

I get the reaction of I'm not going to be ashamed of something even though society is telling me to be but nobody's telling people to be ashamed of mental illness I think we actually have quite a bit of sympathy for it.

 

I call BS on both counts. SRS surgery cannot widen or narrow the hips.

 

What we have is the denial of the condition. You're not hurt, you're lazy. I get depressed, too, just get over it. It's not the exact same things, but the basis is similar.

 

Well this is going to be the reality for all of human existence because people who are not afflicted with conditions like this will not understand them.

 

So yo

So you are claiming that these people are lying about having transitioned? To what end? Not to mention my hips are rather narrow as a cis man. Growing up girl's jeans fit me better than boys jeans. So the body conditions could have been set before the surgery.

 

In principle, that determination is made via one's XX / XY chromosomes as well as one's genitalia.

Women have XX chromosomes and men have XY chromosomes. Additionally, women have a vagina and men have a penis. A penis allows for a male's "pollen" to enter into a female via her vagina in order to "pollinate" her.

In a similar manner, how does one distinguish between a male flower and a female flower? Do male flowers not have "plumbing" that pollinates female flowers and do female flowers not have "plumbing" that receives the male flower's pollen?

Again, to deny this is to deny science (and truth).

 

There are all sorts of sick people on the internet.

 

You're lucky. I have kids in university and they see it all the time. Luckily, we innoculated them against Cults before turning them loose in a large modern urban university.

 

Sounds like you need to look at the pic a little closer. That's very clearly a man .. the face gives it away in spades.

 

Every atom.

 

The condition is untreated mental illness. It's the 'untreatment' which is the problem.

 

This is not meant to be in support of any argument regarding the thread-topic; I'm only curious as to if you could explain, based on facial features, how you can determine that the apparent woman, in the gold bikini, is actually a man. There are certainly women who, nonetheless, have some masculine features, as their are men who, naturally, have more feminine facial characteristics (weaker jawline, etc.) Other than possession of an Adam's apple, I am unaware of any reliable "give-aways," as far as gender is concerned. What criteria are you using?

 

What do you do when the chromosomes and then genitalia do not match? Do you know why I mentioned the SRY gene? Because it is the specific gene on the Y chromosome that guides most of the male development. And it can sometimes break off, meaning it is not there to develop the penis among other things. It also can end up attaching to an X chromosome, and if activated, can cause an XX individual to grow a penis. There are many other conditions where the chromosomes and genitals wont match.

THe question is now, how do you know whether or not a person is one of those with mismatches when they claim that their gender does not match their sex?

 

Really? Which atoms? I was unaware that there were male and female oxygen atoms.

 

Even the Adam's Apple is not reliable.

This also means that it can be not or barely visible in males.

 

I appreciate your adding to (& correcting) my knowledge. Still, I have to think that what you point to has got to be somewhat of a rarity. If I made a point of looking for Adam's apples, in the next 100 men & 100 women I see, how likely is it that one or more of the men won't have a visible Adam's apple, and/or that any of the women will?

 

With those hips, no way.